The problem with prayer.

[GrandizerII]

I, on the other hand, have never met the cunt. But if I ever had the displeasure of meeting him I'd twat the bastard.

 You will at judgment and you will be on your knees confessing that Christ truly is Savior and Lord.

GC

This is just desperate talk, GC.

[Gawdzilla]

Just popping in to see what the Hell is going on in here.

Carry on.

[Edwardo Piet]

Asuming that reality is intelligible and reason is effective is one thing, but that's not the part under examination. It's the "general revelation" part. Let's posit a person coming to this for the first time, with no prior conceptions or anyone interpreting meaning and telling him what to believe - what about the bible, general revelation and the classical "God" can possibly lead to the conclusion that reality existed before time began?

(my bolding)

Not only that Stim, but the whole concept of "before" time doesn't even make sense does it? Before time there was no "before".

[Drich]

Is asking him for war, hunger, disease, and atheism (redundant, obviously, in your opinion) to go away -not- asking him for what he wants for us?

Why would you assume the God wants us to have life easy? All of those things while yes they do suck and bring hardship and even death on a massive scale, long term have indeed benefited man.

think about it a moment.. We are essentially on top of the food chain, and those 'terrible' things you mentioned are what keeps humanity in check and killing this planet. Those are the checks to our banance, the ying to our yang, without them humanity would sweep across this planet like a virus rendering it uninhabitable with in just a few hundred years.

In addition to keeping humanity at bay those 'terrible' things have also spawned, inspired refined modern life.

Where you only see the bad, in war and hunger I see a space program, air lines, Genetically enhanced foods, opportunity for us to serve and feed the hungry and homeless, I see atheism keeping religion from taking us into another dark age, in that it provides a check for the self righteous. I can see a potential balance in all things... If I can see this balance and the 'good' that can come from your bad, then why wouldn't God be able to see the same? If there is indeed a 'greater good' that comes from a generation's suffering the benefits the whole of Humanity, then why would God want to take that what you call suffering away?

[Edwardo Piet]

Because God shouldn't need such limitations.

[madog]

Is asking him for war, hunger, disease, and atheism (redundant, obviously, in your opinion) to go away -not- asking him for what he wants for us?

  

Where you only see the bad, in war and hunger I see a space program, 

So you see the space program in the charred bent body of a child? 

[The Grand Nudger]

What an excellent point!

Christians -  If God can and has miraculously healed people, how come he has NEVER once in human history regrown someone's limb?!  Or...re-capitated someone after a car accident or beheading?  Why does he only focus his attention on cancers and other illnesses that you know...*cough* have the physiological capacity to go into spontaneous remission?  [emoji848]

For any of that to happen then GOD would have made some mistake and need to fix it.

Not really feasible, considering the omnipotence and omniscience.



Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

I missed this one....  Um, what mistake would god have made in those scenarios...more disturbingly, what intention was it?  Did he -mean- to cripple a person...did he -mean- to decapitate a person in a car crash?  Jesus christ, the more you guys talk about this god of yours....................

I do not believe in a traditional heaven.

And prayer helps me to keep all sorts of things in mind, from "not wanking it", to doing good without want of reward or attainment in return.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Then maybe you should keep at it.  If it keeps -you- from crippling someone or decapitating someone..I;m all for it, particularly if your god is running around doing that shit already.  One less violent psychotic in the cosmos is a net gain, imo.

Why would you assume 

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Are you okay buddy?  We already had this conversation pages ago........

[Neo-Scholastic]

Where you only see the bad, in war and hunger I see a space program, air lines, Genetically enhanced foods, opportunity for us to serve and feed the hungry and homeless, I see atheism keeping religion from taking us into another dark age, in that it provides a check for the self righteous. I can see a potential balance in all things... If I can see this balance and the 'good' that can come from your bad, then why wouldn't God be able to see the same? If there is indeed a 'greater good' that comes from a generation's suffering the benefits the whole of Humanity, then why would God want to take that what you call suffering away?

Here is the Scriptural support for what Drich is saying:

"But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive." - Genesis 50:20

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." - Romans 8:28

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

[Edwardo Piet]

The problem with prayer is it is about as effective as a lone ant trying to procreate by farting in the general direction of a spider.

[LadyForCamus]

What an excellent point!

Christians - If God can and has miraculously healed people, how come he has NEVER once in human history regrown someone's limb?! Or...re-capitated someone after a car accident or beheading? Why does he only focus his attention on cancers and other illnesses that you know...*cough* have the physiological capacity to go into spontaneous remission? [emoji848]

For any of that to happen then GOD would have made some mistake and need to fix it.

Not really feasible, considering the omnipotence and omniscience.



Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

I missed this as well. So...I'm confused.

1. God would need to have made some mistake in order to be to re-capitating someone

2. God never makes mistakes

3. God gives people cancer on purpose and then takes it away on purpose because....?

God can only work within the realm of natural human physiology?

????