The problem with prayer.

[Whateverist]

The problem with prayer is it doesn't fucking work.

Aint that the truth. 

Oh I don't know about that.  I personally find sitting around doing nothing rather restorative.

[Whateverist]

 You have to come to Christ as savior and lord before God will reveal the deeper meaning of scripture. God will move the hearts of those who seriously seek the salvation He offers.

GC

I love how so many Christians assume that atheists were never Christian. 

You give them too little credit.  It is just your ever having been a true Christian which they question.

[GrandizerII]

 You have to come to Christ as savior and lord before God will reveal the deeper meaning of scripture. God will move the hearts of those who seriously seek the salvation He offers.

GC

I love how so many Christians assume that atheists were never Christian. That's true for some, but too many people grow up with Christianity for that to be widely true.

I was a Christian until I was 25 and I deeply believed in all of it. I regularly went to church, prayed, and studied the bible in depth. I did everything I was supposed to do and I wanted it. The problem is that the more I looked into it, the more I started to realize how much it resembled a massive pile of horse shit. So don't come here and tell us that we haven't done exactly what you're prescribing. Many of us have been there and we got nothing out of it.

Here's an idea of how, so ironically, I would've responded as a former Evangelical Christian:

One becomes a Christian not by passively believing in its doctrines but by accepting Jesus Christ into one's own life and receiving Him as Lord and Saviour after acknowledging one's limitations and inability to ever please God with our so-called "righteousness". When that happens, you receive the Holy Spirit, and you start to learn to live and walk in God rather than in the flesh. If you never experienced any of that, then you never truly believed.

[drfuzzy]

I love how so many Christians assume that atheists were never Christian. That's true for some, but too many people grow up with Christianity for that to be widely true.

I was a Christian until I was 25 and I deeply believed in all of it. I regularly went to church, prayed, and studied the bible in depth. I did everything I was supposed to do and I wanted it. The problem is that the more I looked into it, the more I started to realize how much it resembled a massive pile of horse shit. So don't come here and tell us that we haven't done exactly what you're prescribing. Many of us have been there and we got nothing out of it.

Here's an idea of how, so ironically, I would've responded as a former Evangelical Christian:

One becomes a Christian not by passively believing in its doctrines but by accepting Jesus Christ into one's own life and receiving Him as Lord and Saviour after acknowledging one's limitations and inability to ever please God with our so-called "righteousness". When that happens, you receive the Holy Spirit, and you start to learn to live and walk in God rather than in the flesh. If you never experienced any of that, then you never truly believed.

I'm assuming, Irrational, that this is what you ONCE would have said and you no longer believe, correct?  Yes, I have heard that line ad nauseum from many theists.  Some can't believe that people would actually have lived decades as a xtian and then see the bullshit for what it is.  They can't believe that someone would spend 40 years begging to "receive the holy spirit", and never feel a thing.  Some will tell me "you were doing it wrong" or "you were taught wrong".  Others simply say that some people are just rejected by god from birth.  They'll say anything that reinforces "I'm special and you're not" and "you can't prove my imaginary friend isn't real".

[GrandizerII]

Here's an idea of how, so ironically, I would've responded as a former Evangelical Christian:

One becomes a Christian not by passively believing in its doctrines but by accepting Jesus Christ into one's own life and receiving Him as Lord and Saviour after acknowledging one's limitations and inability to ever please God with our so-called "righteousness". When that happens, you receive the Holy Spirit, and you start to learn to live and walk in God rather than in the flesh. If you never experienced any of that, then you never truly believed.

I'm assuming, Irrational, that this is what you ONCE would have said and you no longer believe, correct?  Yes, I have heard that line ad nauseum from many theists.  Some can't believe that people would actually have lived decades as a xtian and then see the bullshit for what it is.  They can't believe that someone would spend 40 years begging to "receive the holy spirit", and never feel a thing.  Some will tell me "you were doing it wrong" or "you were taught wrong".  Others simply say that some people are just rejected by god from birth.  They'll say anything that reinforces "I'm special and you're not" and "you can't prove my imaginary friend isn't real".

Yep, you assume correctly. Not that I've ever actually said this to anyone in the past (thankfully), but this how I would've probably responded. I stated it here just to show Christian members here that even an atheist can have a good idea of what goes on in their thoughts about stuff like this.

[rado84]

So, why has no "good and true Christian" ever prayed for an end to war, hunger, disease, or atheism?

I think I haven't replied to this topic yet.

To answer your question: because the majority of the Christians care about someone else other than themselves only on Sundays. In the rest of the time you could be crawling on the ground with your guts out and they won't lift a finger to help you.

[Incognito]

Please give me some evidence on why we should believe the Bible and that there is a magical man in the sky called God watching us.

First off there is no magic man in the sky, this shows me that you know nothing not the simplest things about the Bible. To give you evidence of God would be like giving a monkey a book to read. I will give you a truth you should believe, if you do not trust Christ as your savior you will be punished forever for your sin, this is from the Bible.

GC

Ironic, you just told me that there is no magical man in the sky, yet you turn around and tell me I'm going to be punished by the magical man in the sky. Of course, your not going to reply to this since your too busy sticking your Bible up your ass.