Why do the ritors ask for Justice?

[Athene]

So, the "gangster rapper" is representative of the average black American, and in you opinion, blacks in Europe have evolved more quickly into what? 

Something a bit closer to being a regular human?

Oh, yeah...you're a nice guy. Very fair-minded. 
Not racist at all.


Just kidding. You're a know-nothing and lying sac.

Evolved into mature, upstanding people who respect their neighbours, have respect for the authorities (in fact, you have a greater chance of being arrested if you are white here believe it or not) want their children to do really well, and dare I say it, they go to church or the mosque as and when. They have treated me with kindness and they have come to my house and been treated with kindness. Not a bad word out of place and a fantastic level of the French language. 'Y'all', doesn't strike me as being English, neither does "I is with yo ass."

How many black Americans do you actually know? 
Personally.

Do NOT count the cast of Boyz in the Hood, or Straight Outta Compton.
I told you before; those are movies.

[account_inactive]

I think it's about time whites stand up for themselves.

Of course you do, dear.

Run along and prepare for the race-war now.
Those bunkers ain't gonna stock themselves.

Who said anything about a race war?

[RobertE]

But if it makes you feel better to think that, then go ahead. I mean, does it really bother me if I was or wasn't? Does it matter in your own petty life? Not a chance. I will say what I like, just as you will. Go on and continue, make yourself feel good my yankee friend.

Lol, of course it doesn't matter in my life, just as every post you or I have ever made hasn't mattered.  That doesn't stop us, though, does it?

It's not about trying to make myself feel better.  It's that I live in an area where I get a lot of the "I'm not a racist" followed by racist shit coming out of someone's mouth.  Stupidity is irritating, you know?

Perhaps it is irritating, but unlike you, if I dislike someone, I tell them, if I dislike someones religion, I will tell them, if I don't like my work colleague, I will tell him. I sit on the fence as far as politics is concerned and dislike both the left, extreme left, the right and the extreme right. I just tell people to their faces, that way everything is all out in the open. I told some black guy at work that I respected his work, but I disliked him as a person, he was shocked, but at the end of the day, relations got better after that because he has always worked with hypocrites. I still keep in touch with him on FB too.

[Crossless2.0]

Evolved into mature, upstanding people who respect their neighbours, have respect for the authorities (in fact, you have a greater chance of being arrested if you are white here believe it or not) want their children to do really well, and dare I say it, they go to church or the mosque as and when. They have treated me with kindness and they have come to my house and been treated with kindness. Not a bad word out of place and a fantastic level of the French language. 'Y'all', doesn't strike me as being English, neither does "I is with yo ass."

How many black Americans do you actually know? 
Personally.

Do NOT count the cast of Boyz in the Hood, or Straight Outta Compton.
I told you before; those are movies.

I feel compelled to mention that Steve Urkel is not real, either -- just in case Robert has him in mind as a fine, upstanding young black man.

[RobertE]

Evolved into mature, upstanding people who respect their neighbours, have respect for the authorities (in fact, you have a greater chance of being arrested if you are white here believe it or not) want their children to do really well, and dare I say it, they go to church or the mosque as and when. They have treated me with kindness and they have come to my house and been treated with kindness. Not a bad word out of place and a fantastic level of the French language. 'Y'all', doesn't strike me as being English, neither does "I is with yo ass."

How many black Americans do you actually know? 
Personally.

Do NOT count the cast of Boyz in the Hood, or Straight Outta Compton.
I told you before; those are movies.

Wrong!!! How many "Americans", do you know, would be the question. In that case, none that I am aware of.

[abaris]

No, of course they are not. That is not the point though. The point is that the police will have had enough of being treated like shit by the local ruffians that they will just walk from their jobs, and then you will see anarchy. As a supporter of the emergency services, I want to see the police stop policing for 24 hours, then we will see who will be shitting on the police afterwards. Believe me, there will be many hypocrites afterwards.

Good for you that you're a supporter. Good for the police forces that they're usually not as narrow minded as their black sheep and their self proclaimed supporters. My nephew made a film about an incident of police violence against a black man where he was beaten within an inch of his life. Want to know what our police force did afterwards? They asked him if they could show that movie as part of their training.

But that's OT. Same as your poorly veiled attempt at insinuating that someone said get rid of police.

[RobertE]

How many black Americans do you actually know? 
Personally.

Do NOT count the cast of Boyz in the Hood, or Straight Outta Compton.
I told you before; those are movies.

I feel compelled to mention that Steve Urkel is not real, either -- just in case Robert has him in mind as a fine, upstanding young black man.

I don't know who he is. You can ask me who Chow Yun-Fat, Bruce Lee, Yuen Biao, Yuen Mun, Yuen Wah, Hwang Jang Lee, Ji Han-Jae, Andy Lau, Arron Kwok, Anita Mui Yin Fong, Tsui Hark...but no to Steve Urkel.

[Crossless2.0]

I feel compelled to mention that Steve Urkel is not real, either -- just in case Robert has him in mind as a fine, upstanding young black man.

I don't know who he is. You can ask me who Chow Yun-Fat, Bruce Lee, Yuen Biao, Yuen Mun, Yuen Wah, Hwang Jang Lee, Ji Han-Jae, Andy Lau, Arron Kwok, Anita Mui Yin Fong, Tsui Hark...but no to Steve Urkel.

You're lucky. Some of us can never forget.

[RobertE]

No, of course they are not. That is not the point though. The point is that the police will have had enough of being treated like shit by the local ruffians that they will just walk from their jobs, and then you will see anarchy. As a supporter of the emergency services, I want to see the police stop policing for 24 hours, then we will see who will be shitting on the police afterwards. Believe me, there will be many hypocrites afterwards.

Good for you that you're a supporter. Good for the police forces that they're usually not as narrow minded as their black sheep and their self proclaimed supporters. My nephew made a film about an incident of police violence against a black man where he was beaten within an inch of his life. Want to know what our police force did afterwards? They asked him if they could show that movie as part of their training.

But that's OT. Same as your poorly veiled attempt at insinuating that someone said get rid of police.

Listen Abaris, let us get things straight. British police and yankee police are poles apart. Over in England, we do things the right way. In America, you get arrested for fucking jaywalking!! If it was law here, I'd be arrested every single day. That is how ridiculous your laws are, they are extreme, nazi-like laws, yet there are black cops, chinese cops, white cops and hispanic cops who are willing to join a legalised neo-nazi organisation.

[Drich]

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It's real simple sport, Do what the cop say when he says it. It's not a debate, you don't have the right to protest, you don't get an appeal durning an arrest. That is what court is for.

The cop's primary objective is to have complete control of the situation and all parties involved. So the first thing a cop must do is identify an potential dangers. For instance someone acting nervous for any reason in a car. the cop is not to try and figure out why, just remove the nervous person from a potential danger in the car. so the person is asked to step out. if the person does anything besides step out, again primary mandate takes over control the situation. the officer must escalate the situation, any reaction besides submission results in some type of physical force or restraint by the officer. if the person resists or fights back again the officer must continue to escilate the situation first to be on the surviving side of a violent encounter, so the situation is escalated again. No matter where a person is in the escalation of a fight cops are trained to be one step ahead.

You are at a zero confrontation level, a cop is at be ready he may make a move.

you are at offended, the cop must be cock and ready for a fight.

You are thinking about where or not you can take this guy (even if you are going through the motions of compliance,) the cop is at applying non leathal force/disabling you.

You take a swing and depending on what action he has already taken, he shoots.

Those who see unfairness in a police officers actions simply do not understand the dangers of the job nor the mindset/how they are trained to work.. In a douche bag society everyone demands to be treated to who they are as individuals. unfortunately when dealing with criminals, everyone must be treated the same. Meaning everyone is treated like a criminal until a safety threshold can be establish by the officer. When all potential threats have been neutralized and the cop has control of the situation, it can only be then that you can be treated as an individual again.

Approach as an alpha, demand control and fight for it.. get shot.

If this was a race thing then why is it black cops shoot black people? Why is it white cops shoot and kill white people?

As far as protesters are concern they can do whatever they want within the confines of the law.

Everyone is treated like a criminal until a safety threshold can be established?

If that officer is approaching suspects in criminal activity, yes.

 So much for that due process you've been pissing and moaning about,, never mind the presumption of innocence.

Apprehension, detention, and questioning is all apart of due process sport. Each aspect of "due process" has it's own protocols. No where in the constitution does it say 'the presumption of innocence must be maintained during a hostile arrest.' Why? because resisting arrest in of itself is a crime, a crime the officers themselves witness. Our laws mandate that we submit to apprehension and detention if just cause has been established. If you resist you forfeit your rights and presumption of innocence concerning your resisting arrest, which then can be used to detain you lawfully, even if you are presumed innocent of the other crime.

Submit to authority or face execution.

 Do not threaten or act in a threatening manner or face execution absolutely.

Do you really have this poor of a grasp on the founding principles of this country, or do you just act like a dipshit for fun?

Maybe a little from column a and a little from column b.

The cognitive dissonance must be killing you, because you're sitting here arguing for two separate standards.

Actually no, because while I don't consider myself a genius my mind is indeed big enough to understand how each one of the parts of 'due process' works, and how they collectively work together. (even though parts can seemingly contradict one another.) while someone arguing from a point of emotion might only take one element of due prossess and wrong think this one element represent each stage of the law and how it is up held/executed.

Most 'feely' (stupid people) believe being arrested is the same as being convicted. so they fight their arrests or demand that elements and protections of the prosecution phase be extended to them before or durning an arrest.

Here's the thing once you qualify for an arrest it's over. a smart person shuts down ans saves everything for trial. as for a lawyer. But instead stupid people try and barter their way out or fight their way out. Most stupid people know bartering their way out is a legal trick used to gather evidence to further incriminate themselves. so fearing arrest like a conviction stupid people only have one real alternative. They have to fight their way out. even if they do not go toe to toe the resist which is tantamount (legal speaking) to fighting which just compounds the problem which often times escalates the whole issue...

 Rioters should respect due process,

Indeed.

but if you fail to do exactly what a cop tells you, it's okay for him to take your life.

depending on circumstance... more or less yes.

 Never mind the fact that the guy in Tulsa was shot with his hands in the air.

you mean the guy high on pcp, who had his hands in the air at one moment but at the time of the actual shot was reaching down?

 Remember, kids, submit to authority absolutely or face death, but don't forget that the state is the devil.  I've never met anyone in my life that completely compartmentalizes their beliefs in the way you do.  It's just amazing.

Then you actively surround yourself with morons, and do not seek a higher understanding of anything outside of what you think you know.

And then you have the audacity to call people that want a country where the police treat us fairly and equally a "douchebag society?"  Again, I really have to believe that you just troll with this stuff, because I'm extremely skeptical that anyone can be this fucking stupid but still be able to use a computer.

Yes.

Why? because I don't want people up holding the law to be shot or even hurt because they are mandated to treat a guy i caught breaking into my house the same way the cop treats me the victim.

Do you not understand that under the idea of equal/good treatment that real bad guys would be given opportunity to hurt or kill police officers or even innocent people?

We do need to be treated the same and in fact we are if suspected of a crime. And that is with the officer's safety coming first. Why? because the guilty will not have a chance to hurt the officers and the innocent will not have cause to resist if we all understand the SEPARATE natures and roles the police department has verse the courts.