sexual orientation issue

[Zenith]

I've just came across a post on this site who said about the incest, not being natural:

Wait, what? It occurs in nature so it is natural. You know, kinda like homosexuality. And just like homosexuality it is not normal human behavior.

the thread is this: http://atheistforums.org/thread-5980.html
I hope Dotard doesn't mind me copy-pasting that here.

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The fact is that I want to talk about all sexual orientation, and want to hear some opinions

So,
1. What do you think about incest?
Should we consider it "good", "normal", etc.? How do you regard (i.e. what do you feel about that person, what attitudes you have towards him/her):
a) a man who slept with his sister?
b) a woman who slept with her brother?

How would you feel if you saw them doing those things and you knew that they are brother and sister? (see live/porn - TV, computer) Should our society consider it "ok"? Why? Would you feel ok if these persons you have seen are part of your family? (mother, father, brother, sister, son, daughter, etc.)

2. What do you think about sex with animals?
Should we consider it "good", "normal", etc.? How do you regard (i.e. what do you feel about that person, what attitudes you have towards him/her):
a) a man that fucked a goat?
b) a man that was fucked in the ass by a dog?
c) a man that sucked that dick of a horse?
d) a woman that has been fucked by her dog?
e) a woman that sucked the dick of a horse?

How would you feel if you saw these persons doing those things? (see live/porn - TV, computer) Should our society consider it "ok"? Why? Would you feel ok if these persons you have seen are part of your family? (mother, father, brother, sister, son, daughter, etc.)

3. What do you think about sex with dead people (and perhaps, also with animals)?
Should we consider it "good", "normal", etc.? How do you regard (i.e. what do you feel about that person, what attitudes you have towards him/her):
a) a man that fucks a dead body of a man, of woman or of an animal?
b) a man that sucks the dick of a dead man, or of a dead animal?
c) a woman that sucks the dick of a dead man, or of a dead animal?

How would you feel if you saw these persons doing those things? (see live/porn - TV, computer) Should our society consider it "ok"? Why? Would you feel ok if these persons you have seen are part of your family? (mother, father, brother, sister, son, daughter, etc.)

4. What do you think about minor sex (e.g. 8 years old)?
Should we consider it "good", "normal", etc.? How do you regard (i.e. what do you feel about that person, what attitudes you have towards him/her):
a) a mature man that fucks a child (boy or girl)?
b) a boy or girl that sucks the dick of a mature man?
c) a boy that fucks a mature man or woman?
d) a man or woman that sucks the dick of a boy?
e) two 8 years old children that are fucking?

How would you feel if you saw these persons doing those things? (see live/porn - TV, computer) Should our society consider it "ok"? Why? Would you feel ok if these persons you have seen are part of your family? (mother, father, brother, sister, son, daughter, etc.)

5. What do you think about male homosexuality?
Should we consider it "good", "normal", etc.? How do you regard (i.e. what do you feel about that person, what attitudes you have towards him):
a) a man that fucks another man in his ass?
b) a man that sucks the dick of a man?

How would you feel if you saw these persons doing those things? (see live/porn - TV, computer) Should our society consider it "ok"? Why? Would you feel ok if these persons you have seen are part of your family? (mother, father, brother, sister, son, daughter, etc.)
(at this point, please specify your genre - male or female - if that is not obvious)

6. What do you think about female homosexuality?
Should we consider it "good", "normal", etc.? How do you regard (i.e. what do you feel about that person, what attitudes you have towards her):
a) a woman that is playing with sex-toys with another woman?
b) a woman that licks the pussy of another woman?

How would you feel if you saw these persons doing those things? (see live/porn - TV, computer) Should our society consider it "ok"? Why? Would you feel ok if these persons you have seen are part of your family? (mother, father, brother, sister, son, daughter, etc.)
(at this point, please specify your genre - male or female - if that is not obvious)

7. What do you think about prostitution and paid sex?
Should we consider it "good", "normal", etc.? How do you regard (i.e. what do you feel about that person, what attitudes you have towards him/her):
a) a man that is a male prostitute in a club or on the streets, that is being fucked by everybody (consider both situations: a. by men b. by women) for money?
b) a woman that is a prostitute in a club or on the streets, that is being fucked by everybody for money.
CONSIDERING that they are not being forced by financial problems, for whom prostitution is the only way of surviving.

How would you feel if you saw these persons doing those things? (see live/porn - TV, computer) Should our society consider it "ok"? Why? Would you feel ok if these persons you have seen are part of your family? (mother, father, brother, sister, son, daughter, etc.)

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Hopefully I didn't forget any important combination.
Sorry for being too many questions... (I don't expect you to answer to absolutely everything, but it was important to specify all those things)

[5thHorseman]

Homosexuality is in some people's nature, it is natural to them, so let them be. Bestiality is lol, as long as its not my dog.

[downbeatplumb]

Incest can have very serious genetic concequences so I am against it,(also its yucky).

But the genetic argument falls down a bit when it is considered ok for unrelated people with genetic disorders to mate.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6424337.stm

In 2007, a German brother and sister took their fight for the right to a sexual relationship to the country's highest court

[Faith No More]

1). Unnatural as we know it leads to genetic mutation.

2). As long as you're in Mexico it is okay.

3). Sex should be between two live adults as a dead body can't consent. I guess if you got permission before hand you could do what you wanted.

4). Minors are not old enough to understand the consequences of their actions and are off limits.

5). I could care less.

6). It is awesome.

7). Why pay for something you could get for free with a little work?

[BloodyHeretic]

1. Limiting the genetic gene pool of any child produced, is not ethical, therefore I'm not in favour. Even if using contraception, accidents happen and it's simply not ok to do that to a new-born child.

2. Well, in fairness, consent ....

3. I think you'd be fairly mentally impaired to want to do that.

4. Minors, consent, awareness of consequences, lack of developed sexuality etc.

5. Fine with that.

6. Fine with that.

7. If it's a choice fine, mostly women are forced into it, which is not fine.

[JohnDG]

1. Hope they don't procreate, sex is everyones choice even if its eww.

2. Have to go with lol.... Hope to never touch a girl that has.

3. Very Very abnormal.

4. Wrong not only because it's rape, but because their too young to even really know what their doing. Does happen in the wild.

5. Everyone has their sticky icky.

6. Now thats what im talking about.

7. Quickly, you there! Need sex now!

[Girlysprite]

1: There are some situations in which closely related people fall in love. If they both consent, why not? They should receive extra checkups when reproducing though, but not every child out of a blood-related couple will be deformed. However, I would feel very odd about siblings who have grown up together to start something like this, and would advice counceling for them, as the behavior is not completely healthy, and there might be other patterns which will lead to hurt and pain of themselves and others.

2: Sex with animals is not ok, because animals have been known to suffer in such acts. In some cases it is unknown, and is difficult to determine. So we'd better be on the safe side here.

3: sex with dead people: This is a bit more difficult because it's not just about what the dead person wanted, but there is also family to account for. If they know that the body is used in that way it would likely really disrupt their griefing process. I think that immediate family has a greater right to the body for a proper farewell service then any other person to have sex with. Also, there is another issue with hygience and diseases - I don't really know if sex with dead persons is very much more dangerous then normal sex.

4: sex with minors: no. Minors are still developing mentally, and can therefor not truly give consent. On top of that is the fact that any adult has a position of power over a child, just for the fact that he/she is an adult. Power inbalances are very unhealthy in sexual relationships.

5 & 6: I'm fine with both. They can give full consent and there is no extra risk attached, as long as sex is done safely. I do want to add that personally, I do not condone married people experimenting with the other gender while still being married. I think it counts as lying. However, that is something between people and not something a law should get inbetween.

7: Prostitution is a difficult matter. If that is really what the prostitute wants, go ahead. The problem is that the majority of the people in that field does not really seem to work there because they wanted to. It has too much modern slavery too. However, outlawing it does not seem to help much. An open system with lots and loads of support and lots of health workers doing checkups (physical and just some talk sessions, seeing how it goes) might help.

[Napoléon]

1: There are some situations in which closely related people fall in love. If they both consent, why not? They should receive extra checkups when reproducing though, but not every child out of a blood-related couple will be deformed. However, I would feel very odd about siblings who have grown up together to start something like this, and would advice counceling for them, as the behavior is not completely healthy, and there might be other patterns which will lead to hurt and pain of themselves and others.

Sorry girlysprite, it's one thing to say two people can fall in love. But if they are having sex they should put something on the end of it. IF the child they bring into the world has deformities due to the fact they are inbreeding then that is unfair on the child. The fact is, is that inbreeding DOES cause genetic problems, and it's very unfair if a child is born into that situation.

[Zenith]

most of you, it seems, that did not tell how they'd feel if those persons would be part of the family.
For instance, you can say "well, if he really loves his dog... I don't care, it's not me!!" but it's very different when it's your mother or your daughter or your sister we're talking about!

[Napoléon]

most of you, it seems, that did not tell how they'd feel if those persons would be part of the family.
For instance, you can say "well, if he really loves his dog... I don't care, it's not me!!" but it's very different when it's your mother or your daughter or your sister we're talking about!

Well obviously, we all know the negative connotations for many of these things, naturally we don't want them doing it. Strangers we generally don't care about.