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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
November 8, 2016 at 7:13 pm
(November 8, 2016 at 6:18 pm)Asmodee Wrote: A mythological Jewish deity appropriated by Christianity, Islam and, most recently, Wicca created by primitive people with a desire to explain the world around them but without the intellectual means to do so.
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
November 8, 2016 at 7:24 pm
(November 8, 2016 at 5:27 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(November 8, 2016 at 5:16 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: But she weighs less than a duck!
Anorexia is no system for a basis of witch hunting. Look, if I went around lobbing run way models at you and proclaiming witches, you'd put me away!
Clearly you are no man of science. Follow the deductive logic, if a woman weighs less than a duck she will float on water; if she floats on water she must be made of wood; if she is made of wood then she burns, and we all know that witches burn. You're no Arthur, King of the Britons. Oh, to be working with such a man again!
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
November 8, 2016 at 7:32 pm
(November 8, 2016 at 7:24 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:
(November 8, 2016 at 5:27 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Anorexia is no system for a basis of witch hunting. Look, if I went around lobbing run way models at you and proclaiming witches, you'd put me away!
Clearly you are no man of science. Follow the deductive logic, if a woman weighs less than a duck she will float on water; if she floats on water she must be made of wood; if she is made of wood then she burns, and we all know that witches burn. You're no Arthur, King of the Britons. Oh, to be working with such a man again!
But a moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at me. I maintain that it was not farcical! They all saw it.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
November 9, 2016 at 6:04 am
Dear powers that be here, thanks a lot that I have not been banned.
Now, dear atheist colleagues here, I am only one person here not a battalion, and you are many; and I see you to be emotively hostile toward me, which renders you to be into messages which I see to be digressing from the thread:
Because you do not address my concept of God in order to first show that it is not a valid concept, and on the other hand you do not present any what I call decent information of the concept of God you have in your stock knowledge. or if you don't have any. look it up most conveniently in the internet.
I will now read your posts which come after the post from me immediately preceding from this one I am writing, to see whether there is something that you are transmitting to me which is to the development of this thread, on the issue how my proof of God existing is to be commented on by you, constructively - that means first you get the information of the concept of God as to square with my concept of God:
Because I am proving God in my concept of God, which is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning; you must have in your heart and mind to deny God in my concept of God, not any God in concepts whatsoever you want to deny existence according to - that should be in another thread if you care to, of your own making.
Here is my concept of God again, for your convenience: God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and every thing with a beginning.
As you deny the existence of God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc., just concentrate on God in my concept, that should save you a lot of time and trouble - logical isn't it?
Once you get to focus on my concept of God, then we can proceed to talk about causation, because from my concept of God I proceed to gather all instances of causation for evidence of God existing in the objective reality of existence outside of our mind, outside of concepts in our mind.
So, I propose that you, dear atheist colleagues here, dwell on my step 1, see ANNEX 3 below. and on causation, and on what is evidence, what is the target of evidence, and how evidence hits its target to for us to know with certainty, the existence of the thing evidence is leading us to know with certainty of its existence.
I will now proceed to read the posts coming after my post immediately preceding this one I am now transmitting.
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
Today, 04:14
Dear atheist colleagues here and whoever else here, thanks a lot for your presence and contribution.
Now, dear Edward, you are really like a draft of fresh air in this thread of mine, thanks!
Have you noticed that I have not been reprehended by the powers that be in this thread?
The fact is that atheist colleagues will not come up with their information on the concept of God that makes sense in this issue of God existing or not, and it is as I have formulated it in step one of my proof for God existing, see ANNEX 2.
And logically they should accept my information on the concept as I am a theist and I know for a certainty that God exists, based on my thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas; but they atheists will not accept my information of the concept of God existing, namely, in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning - why?
Elementary: they know that once they have expressed their concurrence, mind you just concurrence on the information of the concept of God from me a theist, though a liberal protestant, they know they are doomed, they have already lost the debate: because from the information of the concept of God, I will bring them to the objective reality of existence outside our mind, to search for all instances of causation, starting with our causation by our parents to come to existence and life, to the fact that all such instances of causation and many other instances of causation in the animate as also in the inanimate world, they are all EVIDENCE of an entity that corresponds to the information of the concept of God from me, namely, in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
As I will not budge from my step one, on my information of the concept of God, namely, God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, and they will not concur on that information, mind you just the information - though they should, otherwise there is no joining of the issue, God exists or not, they just engage themselves in evading altogether in effect from the very issue of the debate, God exists or not.
That explains why they will do anything and everything to tire me out and make me leave this thread or better exit from Atheistforums.org, including throwing fu** and sh** from their mouths against me, and even complaining to the powers that be in this forum.
In my latest proposal to them to just ask me and I ask them also, just one question but not phrased over 30 words, they know again that I want them to come forth with their information on their concept of God, as they will not concur on my information of the concept of God, namely, in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning: because they know they are doomed, they have lost the debate, namely, once they present a decent information on the concept of God.
It is like I am a tour operator, promising to bring atheists to the certainty of God existing, but atheists will not want to join in the tour by taking the bus trip with me in the driver’s seat, because they know that I will certainly bring them to the irrefutable existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
You see, dear Edward, there are atheists here who bring forth their information on the concept of God, but they are not decent information at all, but flippant ridiculous portrayals of God.
What about you, Edward, do you have at all any information of the concept of God, but no not any ridiculous analogical portrayals all just into blasphemies on God, not God in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning – and mind you, this information is the core substance of all theists, be they orthodox Jews, Christians, or Muslims, in their definitions of God.
ANNEX 2
Edward Johns Wrote:
When I am afraid, I put my trust in you. Psa
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
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Are you playing mind games now?
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I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
24th October 2016, 17:27
This is my proof for God existing.
1. Formulate the information of the concept of God, thus:
"God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."
2. Look for instances of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
3. We find countless examples of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
4. From the countless instances of causation in reality, we infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause.
5. We find that the first and ultimate cause of all instances of causation in reality corresponds to our information on the concept of God, namely, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
What do you think about my proof for the existence of God?
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
November 9, 2016 at 6:10 am
(November 9, 2016 at 6:04 am)Mariosep Wrote: Dear powers that be here, thanks a lot that I have not been banned.
Now, dear atheist colleagues here, I am only one person here not a battalion, and you are many; and I see you to be emotively hostile toward me, which renders you to be into messages which I see to be digressing from the thread:
Because you do not address my concept of God in order to first show that it is not a valid concept, and on the other hand you do not present any what I call decent information of the concept of God you have in your stock knowledge. or if you don't have any. look it up most conveniently in the internet.
I will now read your posts which come after the post from me immediately preceding from this one I am writing, to see whether there is something that you are transmitting to me which is to the development of this thread, on the issue how my proof of God existing is to be commented on by you, constructively - that means first you get the information of the concept of God as to square with my concept of God:
Because I am proving God in my concept of God, which is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning; you must have in your heart and mind to deny God in my concept of God, not any God in concepts whatsoever you want to deny existence according to - that should be in another thread if you care to, of your own making.
Here is my concept of God again, for your convenience: God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and every thing with a beginning.
As you deny the existence of God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc., just concentrate on God in my concept, that should save you a lot of time and trouble - logical isn't it?
Once you get to focus on my concept of God, then we can proceed to talk about causation, because from my concept of God I proceed to gather all instances of causation for evidence of God existing in the objective reality of existence outside of our mind, outside of concepts in our mind.
So, I propose that you, dear atheist colleagues here, dwell on my step 1, see ANNEX 3 below. and on causation, and on what is evidence, what is the target of evidence, and how evidence hits its target to for us to know with certainty, the existence of the thing evidence is leading us to know with certainty of its existence.
I will now proceed to read the posts coming after my post immediately preceding this one I am now transmitting.
ANNEX 1
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
Today, 04:14
Dear atheist colleagues here and whoever else here, thanks a lot for your presence and contribution.
Now, dear Edward, you are really like a draft of fresh air in this thread of mine, thanks!
Have you noticed that I have not been reprehended by the powers that be in this thread?
The fact is that atheist colleagues will not come up with their information on the concept of God that makes sense in this issue of God existing or not, and it is as I have formulated it in step one of my proof for God existing, see ANNEX 2.
And logically they should accept my information on the concept as I am a theist and I know for a certainty that God exists, based on my thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas; but they atheists will not accept my information of the concept of God existing, namely, in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning - why?
Elementary: they know that once they have expressed their concurrence, mind you just concurrence on the information of the concept of God from me a theist, though a liberal protestant, they know they are doomed, they have already lost the debate: because from the information of the concept of God, I will bring them to the objective reality of existence outside our mind, to search for all instances of causation, starting with our causation by our parents to come to existence and life, to the fact that all such instances of causation and many other instances of causation in the animate as also in the inanimate world, they are all EVIDENCE of an entity that corresponds to the information of the concept of God from me, namely, in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
As I will not budge from my step one, on my information of the concept of God, namely, God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, and they will not concur on that information, mind you just the information - though they should, otherwise there is no joining of the issue, God exists or not, they just engage themselves in evading altogether in effect from the very issue of the debate, God exists or not.
That explains why they will do anything and everything to tire me out and make me leave this thread or better exit from Atheistforums.org, including throwing fu** and sh** from their mouths against me, and even complaining to the powers that be in this forum.
In my latest proposal to them to just ask me and I ask them also, just one question but not phrased over 30 words, they know again that I want them to come forth with their information on their concept of God, as they will not concur on my information of the concept of God, namely, in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning: because they know they are doomed, they have lost the debate, namely, once they present a decent information on the concept of God.
It is like I am a tour operator, promising to bring atheists to the certainty of God existing, but atheists will not want to join in the tour by taking the bus trip with me in the driver’s seat, because they know that I will certainly bring them to the irrefutable existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
You see, dear Edward, there are atheists here who bring forth their information on the concept of God, but they are not decent information at all, but flippant ridiculous portrayals of God.
What about you, Edward, do you have at all any information of the concept of God, but no not any ridiculous analogical portrayals all just into blasphemies on God, not God in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning – and mind you, this information is the core substance of all theists, be they orthodox Jews, Christians, or Muslims, in their definitions of God.
ANNEX 2
Edward Johns Wrote:
When I am afraid, I put my trust in you. Psa
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
4 minutes ago
Are you playing mind games now?
_____________________
Apart from the Bible, we also have the support of archaeology, science, history, literature, and human experience that there is a God. The real question is whether or not a person is open to this evidence. [hide]Geniuses of history have been believers, and geniuses of history have been atheists. There is more to the question “is there a God?” than purely intellectual concerns. Ultimately, how a person attempts to answer the question “is there a God?” strongly reflects the answer he or she prefers. For example one might reject God in order to do what he wants e.g watch pornography etc.
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I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
24th October 2016, 17:27
This is my proof for God existing.
1. Formulate the information of the concept of God, thus:
"God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."
2. Look for instances of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
3. We find countless examples of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
4. From the countless instances of causation in reality, we infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause.
5. We find that the first and ultimate cause of all instances of causation in reality corresponds to our information on the concept of God, namely, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
What do you think about my proof for the existence of God?
I thought you said 30 words or less?
Ok! I will give you your imaginative first and foremost concept of god. You have a concept. So what?
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
November 9, 2016 at 6:57 am
Mario, I can give you the concept of a creator of the Universe. If you wish to call it a God or a Dog or a Cfulgh, it's your business.... I can play along.
Operator of the Universe?... doesn't seem like it, unless you want to claim that the poor creator also has to keep nudging everything he created.
"Creator of man"? no. Man has been shown to be a product of biological evolution here on Earth. No creator of the Universe seems to have been required.
"Operator of man"? I'll do my own operating, thank you very much.
And everything with a beginning... tell me, besides the Universe's beginning (which is unknown), what else would you say had a beginning?
Can you work with the concept of just a creator being?
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November 9, 2016 at 10:06 am (This post was last modified: November 9, 2016 at 10:08 am by Primordial Bisque.
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(November 9, 2016 at 6:04 am)Mariosep Wrote:
Dear powers that be here, thanks a lot that I have not been banned.
Now, dear atheist colleagues here, I am only one person here not a battalion, and you are many; and I see you to be emotively hostile toward me, which renders you to be into messages which I see to be digressing from the thread:
Because you do not address my concept of God in order to first show that it is not a valid concept, and on the other hand you do not present any what I call decent information of the concept of God you have in your stock knowledge. or if you don't have any. look it up most conveniently in the internet.
I will now read your posts which come after the post from me immediately preceding from this one I am writing, to see whether there is something that you are transmitting to me which is to the development of this thread, on the issue how my proof of God existing is to be commented on by you, constructively - that means first you get the information of the concept of God as to square with my concept of God:
Because I am proving God in my concept of God, which is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning; you must have in your heart and mind to deny God in my concept of God, not any God in concepts whatsoever you want to deny existence according to - that should be in another thread if you care to, of your own making.
Here is my concept of God again, for your convenience: God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and every thing with a beginning.
As you deny the existence of God, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities, etc., just concentrate on God in my concept, that should save you a lot of time and trouble - logical isn't it?
Once you get to focus on my concept of God, then we can proceed to talk about causation, because from my concept of God I proceed to gather all instances of causation for evidence of God existing in the objective reality of existence outside of our mind, outside of concepts in our mind.
So, I propose that you, dear atheist colleagues here, dwell on my step 1, see ANNEX 3 below. and on causation, and on what is evidence, what is the target of evidence, and how evidence hits its target to for us to know with certainty, the existence of the thing evidence is leading us to know with certainty of its existence.
I will now proceed to read the posts coming after my post immediately preceding this one I am now transmitting.
ANNEX 1
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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
Today, 04:14
Dear atheist colleagues here and whoever else here, thanks a lot for your presence and contribution.
Now, dear Edward, you are really like a draft of fresh air in this thread of mine, thanks!
Have you noticed that I have not been reprehended by the powers that be in this thread?
The fact is that atheist colleagues will not come up with their information on the concept of God that makes sense in this issue of God existing or not, and it is as I have formulated it in step one of my proof for God existing, see ANNEX 2.
And logically they should accept my information on the concept as I am a theist and I know for a certainty that God exists, based on my thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas; but they atheists will not accept my information of the concept of God existing, namely, in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning - why?
Elementary: they know that once they have expressed their concurrence, mind you just concurrence on the information of the concept of God from me a theist, though a liberal protestant, they know they are doomed, they have already lost the debate: because from the information of the concept of God, I will bring them to the objective reality of existence outside our mind, to search for all instances of causation, starting with our causation by our parents to come to existence and life, to the fact that all such instances of causation and many other instances of causation in the animate as also in the inanimate world, they are all EVIDENCE of an entity that corresponds to the information of the concept of God from me, namely, in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
As I will not budge from my step one, on my information of the concept of God, namely, God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, and they will not concur on that information, mind you just the information - though they should, otherwise there is no joining of the issue, God exists or not, they just engage themselves in evading altogether in effect from the very issue of the debate, God exists or not.
That explains why they will do anything and everything to tire me out and make me leave this thread or better exit from Atheistforums.org, including throwing fu** and sh** from their mouths against me, and even complaining to the powers that be in this forum.
In my latest proposal to them to just ask me and I ask them also, just one question but not phrased over 30 words, they know again that I want them to come forth with their information on their concept of God, as they will not concur on my information of the concept of God, namely, in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning: because they know they are doomed, they have lost the debate, namely, once they present a decent information on the concept of God.
It is like I am a tour operator, promising to bring atheists to the certainty of God existing, but atheists will not want to join in the tour by taking the bus trip with me in the driver’s seat, because they know that I will certainly bring them to the irrefutable existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
You see, dear Edward, there are atheists here who bring forth their information on the concept of God, but they are not decent information at all, but flippant ridiculous portrayals of God.
What about you, Edward, do you have at all any information of the concept of God, but no not any ridiculous analogical portrayals all just into blasphemies on God, not God in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning – and mind you, this information is the core substance of all theists, be they orthodox Jews, Christians, or Muslims, in their definitions of God.
ANNEX 2
Edward Johns Wrote:
When I am afraid, I put my trust in you. Psa
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
4 minutes ago
Are you playing mind games now?
_____________________
Apart from the Bible, we also have the support of archaeology, science, history, literature, and human experience that there is a God. The real question is whether or not a person is open to this evidence. [hide]Geniuses of history have been believers, and geniuses of history have been atheists. There is more to the question “is there a God?” than purely intellectual concerns. Ultimately, how a person attempts to answer the question “is there a God?” strongly reflects the answer he or she prefers. For example one might reject God in order to do what he wants e.g watch pornography etc.
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I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
24th October 2016, 17:27
This is my proof for God existing.
1. Formulate the information of the concept of God, thus:
"God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."
2. Look for instances of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
3. We find countless examples of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
4. From the countless instances of causation in reality, we infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause.
5. We find that the first and ultimate cause of all instances of causation in reality corresponds to our information on the concept of God, namely, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
What do you think about my proof for the existence of God?
You don't seem to understand that the default position is that there are no gods, including yours. You presented the claim of a god-concept and it was shot down. You keep repeating the same thing, however, with occasional attempts to force the "discussion" in a certain direction that it's not even headed. You are running off of a script, aren't you? And we've derailed you.
Are you not able to think for yourself? Do you not have any real knowledge of the "god" you supposedly believe in? Up until now, you haven't been able to answer the simplest of questions regarding your "god"; so I'm inclined to believe you don't know anything about it.
What is your "god"?
“Life is like a grapefruit. Well, it's sort of orangey-yellow and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, too. Oh, and some people have half a one for breakfast.” - Ford Prefect
RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
November 9, 2016 at 11:08 am
(November 9, 2016 at 10:06 am)Primordial Bisque Wrote: You are running off of a script, aren't you? And we've derailed you.
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
