Pray Away the Gay

[Napoléon]

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"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13).

In these passages homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it. You seem to be doing so, how are you managing it? Just ignoring them?

That is probably the toughest bible verse for gays to get around. I don't understand why a gay person would even want to remain a christian after reading such a verse, but I spose that's a whole 'nother thread.

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Oh come on that verses, totally says that is perfectly okay to be a liar to women, but not to be a liar to men

Haha, it's all about how you "interpret" it eh?

[BloodyHeretic]

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13).

In these passages homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it. You seem to be doing so, how are you managing it? Just ignoring them?

That is probably the toughest bible verse for gays to get around. I don't understand why a gay person would even want to remain a christian after reading such a verse, but I spose that's a whole 'nother thread.

Agreed, I'm more interested in why Christians can justify saying that homosexuality is not always a sin. Tackattack seems to have declined to answer the question.

[Cinjin]

That is probably the toughest bible verse for gays to get around. I don't understand why a gay person would even want to remain a christian after reading such a verse, but I spose that's a whole 'nother thread.

Agreed, I'm more interested in why Christians can justify saying that homosexuality is not always a sin. Tackattack seems to have declined to answer the question.

I don't really know how they do it. Their Bible doesn't seem to leave a whole lot of room for it. My father (an uber-fundy) once told me that all homosexuals go to hell. Yep, he told me that in the 4th Grade. So if anything, I'm all for christians bending the rules to actually SHOW compassion for a change.

[tackattack]

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"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13).

In these passages homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it. You seem to be doing so, how are you managing it? Just ignoring them?

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The Christian (I) sees them as to'ebah, breaking the law of ritual, of the levitical laws. Lots of Christians eat shellfish and wear blends. I have sex with my wife on her period. Jesus told us that the law of condemnation needed regulating through reason and compassion. I don't know why most Christians still accost homosexuals yet wear kilts (if your male) or pants (if you're female). They're at the same level legalistically. I'm not ignoring them at all, but I don't see it referring to homosexuality. Chery picking them as you did even on their own,, they wouldn't apply to lesbians.. great news. all you lesbians are safe

If you look at it in the long list of ritualistic sins you'll clearly see they're practicing pagan sex rites, and that is a bad thing to have prostitutes in Church.

This passage does not refer to gay sex generally, but only to a specific form of homosexual prostitution in Pagan temples. Much of Leviticus deals with the Holiness Code which outlined ways in which the ancient Hebrews were to be set apart to God. Some fertility worship practices found in early Pagan cultures were specifically prohibited; ritual same-sex behavior in Pagan temples was one such practice.

This is a site with a good general explanation of what and why I believe

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"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13).

In these passages homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it. You seem to be doing so, how are you managing it? Just ignoring them?

That is probably the toughest bible verse for gays to get around. I don't understand why a gay person would even want to remain a christian after reading such a verse, but I spose that's a whole 'nother thread.

Agreed, I'm more interested in why Christians can justify saying that homosexuality is not always a sin. Tackattack seems to have declined to answer the question.

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I'm sorry your response wasn't immediate, however I'm quite busy here and in RL. If I ever miss a retort that you're expecting, feel free to send me a PM as I don't particularly like not addressing a question posed to me. If I can't or won't answer it I'll tell you, any other time it got missed in the admin of the forums or I'm just too busy to get back to it, or I forgot.

[BloodyHeretic]

That's a point, but is it now not an abomination to god, has he changed his mind? Granted, I'll accept he no longer wants them stoned to death, but surely he still thinks it's wrong?

[Epimethean]

If they had prostitutes in church, I might attend with some interest. Communion would take on a whole new meaning.

[Napoléon]

If they had prostitutes in church, I might attend with some interest. Communion would take on a whole new meaning.

I'm not that into nuns or little boys myself.

[Epimethean]

I'm talking more the writhing sexual ecstasies of sacred whores.

I'll take two.

[tackattack]

That's a point, but is it now not an abomination to god, has he changed his mind? Granted, I'll accept he no longer wants them stoned to death, but surely he still thinks it's wrong?

A point you didn't get obviously. I think you're just missing the point and not intentionally misconstruing the point to make a case against the immutability of God. I didn't say he doesn't want then not to be stoned. I think if there are ritual prostitues in Church for Pagan rites.. then he probably still wants them punished. Sorry to dash your hopes Epimethean.

[Faith No More]

This passage does not refer to gay sex generally, but only to a specific form of homosexual prostitution in Pagan temples. Much of Leviticus deals with the Holiness Code which outlined ways in which the ancient Hebrews were to be set apart to God. Some fertility worship practices found in early Pagan cultures were specifically prohibited; ritual same-sex behavior in Pagan temples was one such practice.This is a site with a good general explanation of what and why I believe

I looked through this site to see what their reasoning for saying the Leviticus passage is referring to prostitution in Pagan temples, and they said the surrounding chapters provide the context for that. After looking through Leviticus myself I can see no reason to interpret the verse in any other way than its face value of condemning male homosexuality. What is the scritpural basis for believing this has anything to do with Pagan temples?