I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?

[Simon Moon]

Dear Simon Moon, you have come back, so we can continue with our exchange.

Nope, I'm not back.

I just came back to point and laugh at your intellectual dishonesty.

We didn't have an 'exchange'. You never defended your argument to explain why it is not fallacious, as pointed out by several people here.

If you are interested in actually having an exchange, first explain why your argument does not commit the following fallacies:

Fallacy of composition.
Equivocation.
Non sequitur.

If you directly respond to this, I might reenter.

If not, I will continue to point at laugh.

[Astreja]

Dear Astreja, you also speak from hateful taboo or phobia of God and Christianism because you fear HELL !!!!.

Hahahahaha!  No, I think you're the one who's more likely to fear it.  I actually took a vow back in 2007 to go to hell if it actually exists.  (I don't actually think there is such a place, by the way, so as far as I'm concerned there is literally nothing to be afraid of.)

I also have no phobia of your imaginary friend.  Nothing there to be afraid of, you see.

You know about hell from Christianism, but when you just think about God the concept of, namely, God in concept is first and foremost the creator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, then tell me, does that concept of God include hell, the hell that you learned from your erstwhile religion, Christianism?

*shrug* It's all fiction.   All you have is a concept, and that concept does not conform to reality and can be ignored.

By the way, I was never actually a Christian other than on a handful of church documents.  I was baptized as an infant, without My consent, but never believed any of it.  I have never prayed the Sinner's Prayer.  I have never taken communion.  I do not intend to do any of those things, ever.

You are a liar, Mariosep.  You pretend you have truth.  You pretend you know what we're thinking.  You ignore our answers and pretend that people agree with you, when it's obvious that we're disagreeing with you.  If this is what your religious beliefs have made of you, your religious beliefs are useless.

You do not get to dictate My thoughts and emotions.  If I want to mock your immoral and murderous religion, I will.

If I want to imagine you weeping helplessly in your bed at 3:16 in the morning, shaking in terror because you just dreamed of re-crucifying Jesus and can still feel the weight of the hammer in your hand... I will.

And if I want to smile evilly at the thought of you failing at everything you attempt, driving away friends and family with your frantic preaching, sinking lower and lower until you come to your senses and throw away your religious beliefs in disgust -- Let's just say that I'm smiling evilly right now.

This concludes our discussions, Mariosep -- Permanently.

[Minimalist]

So, dear readers, you recall that Simon left but now he is back, for what purpose?

Hopefully to help you pull your head out of your ass.

[Astreja]

So, dear readers, you recall that Simon left but now he is back, for what purpose?

Hopefully to help you pull your head out of your ass.

*waves hand*  I'll type the rectocraniectomy report!

[brewer]

These forums are so inactive that a thread like this is allowed to keep going? There is no real atheist conversation here.Pathetic.

There are plenty of other threads here with "real atheist conversation". If you can't find one, who is pathetic?

[Mariosep]

Well. as you think it is pathetic for you to be here, please no longer feel pathetic with yourself for being here, do something about it, according to reason and intelligence.

In the meantime I am waiting with bated breath to read the reactions of Simon and Astreja to my message to them, see below reproduced for your convenience - to observe whether they can do something that evinces thinking on reason and intelligence on their part.


Thanks to the founders, owners, and operators of this web forum, gentlemen though atheist intellectuals here, all praise to them from the present company.

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RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
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Dear Simon Moon, you have come back, so we can continue with our exchange.

And dear Astreja, thanks for responding to my invitation for us two to talk on God existing or not.


So, dear readers, you recall that Simon left but now he is back, for what purpose?

I will just ask Simon Moon whether he is still interested in the proper sense of causation, because he ascribes to molecules his causation into existence and life, not to his papa and mama; from my part I ascribe to his papa and mama his causation whereby he came into existence and life, and from this causation by his papa and mama I infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, which I call God.

Dear Simon Moon - and readers give careful attention to what he is going to say now, whether it is relevant or he is into irrelevancies to this thread from yours truly, which is about my proof for God existing - dear Simon Moon, what is the sense by which you ascribe causation of your existence and life not to your papa and mama, but to molecules?


Dear readers here, I notice all the time that atheists here are into hateful taboo of God and religion, in particular Christianism, why Christianism? because they come from it and now hate it and also hate God, owing to their fear of, watch out, here goes, HELL !!!!!

So, let us sit back and await the reaction of Simon to my thoughts on him and his hateful phobia, namely, in what sense of the word causation does he ascribe his causation into existence and life, not to his papa and mama, but to molecules?


Dear Astreja, you also speak from hateful taboo or phobia of God and Christianism because you fear HELL !!!!.

You know about hell from Christianism, but when you just think about God the concept of, namely, God in concept is first and foremost the creator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, then tell me, does that concept of God include hell, the hell that you learned from your erstwhile religion, Christianism?


Dear reader, I am really waiting with bated breath to read the reactions of Simon and Astreja to this message of mine, will it be something rational and intelligent, or more hateful taboo, err, hateful phobia against Christianism and God?

Why hateful taboo or hateful phobia? Because Astreja and Simon they are afraid of hell which they learned from their erstwhile Christianism, and in compensation they resort to hate against Christianism and God, with their kind of exorcism, exorcism by hate; will it work for them?

No, they will get more and more hateful; my suggestion is for them to just go into the remainder of their earthly existence, practicing what is called in spiritual theology, holy indifference.

It is possible and many folks practice it, like when folks have a painful backache which their doctors could not help them to get rid of, they just learn to live with it, following the teachers of stoicism.


So, and forgive me, Astreja and Simon, just bear with the fear of hell which you learn from your erstwhile Christianism, but I tell you God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

The logical thing with your fear of hell is not resorting to hate against Christianism and God, what about you just choose another religion where God is not hosting a hell for folks who don’t observe His commandments as taught by the masters of Christianism?


Okay, readers, let us wait with bated breath for the reactions of Simon and Astreja to this message from me to them, will it be more hate speech inspired by their fear of hell, or something founded on reason and intelligence?


Dear Astreja and Simon, I suggest you think on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, to deal with your fear of hell.

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Too bad, I was looking forward to exchange thoughts with you, dear woman poster Astreja, give my best regards to your baby, though - now that you have declared that permanently you are done with me.

Well, that is freedom of exchange, to go into as to go out of.

That will also dispense me from having to read your posts; so dear readers please take notice, when you feel that I am not attending to Astreja's posts with mention of yours truly.

Now, let me see whether Simon will again declare that he is through with me.

[Primordial Bisque]

So, dear readers, you recall that Simon left but now he is back, for what purpose?

Hopefully to help you pull your head out of your ass.

I bet it's a real dumb ass too.

[Mariosep]

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Nope, that is yes, Simon he's gone also again, but he will continue to shoot back and not enter into any exchange of thoughts on the issue God exists or not.

That is again confirmation from Astreja and Simon, that atheists like them are not genuinely into the issue God exists or not; when they are found out, they will put up excuses like that the opponents are this and that, so they will just laugh nervously and hope to distract readers from the fact that they are again escaping from the decent engagement to enter into the issue with me, on God exists or not.

So, my conclusion stands, atheists like Simon and Astreja and most of them here with cu** and sh** and fu** in their mouths, they are not genuinely into the issue God exists or not, on thinking with mind grounded on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas.

Still I must say that Simon has a clean mouth, though he wants to distract people with telling them that he is laughing, though nervously.

May I just add, so also is Dawkins, he eschews debate with Craig, and got himself called a coward by one of his own colleague of Oxford.

Google: Dawkins is coward fellow Oxford Don says so.

Dear readers here, forgive me, but I feel I am also entitled to some compensation, with citing that intellectual mankind calls Dawkins a coward for fleeing from debate with Craig.


Later or tomorrow morning again.

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[Excited Penguin]

Oh, cunt, shit, fuck, no, not Dawkins! My atheism has been repudiated.

[Mariosep]

Okay, dear colleagues here, thanks for your presence and contribution.


I shall now return to my idea that babies are caused by their papas and mamas.

If you atheists deny this, please tell me who or what caused babies.

If you do not deal with babies and their causation, I beg for your indulgence because I will not interact with you.

So, that will be an occasion for readers who care to follow the causation of babies as ultimately leading to the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, the occasion to decide whether to read your posts or not.

For myself, I will opt to save myself time and labor to interact with you at all.


You see, dear readers here, it is my submission that causation is the key to the resolution of the issue God exists or not, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

Now, in regard to atheists who want to belabor what they claim is already the fallacy of affirming the consequent, I will just not bother with them, because these posters have nothing to do with the objective reality of existence like babies coming forth from the causation of their papas and mamas, except to read textbooks to learn all in their mind and nothing of any connecting with the reality of the existence of babies, to play their mental games of seek the fallacy.