I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?

[pocaracas]

He is just trolling you guys for 88 pages already. Stop responding.

WUT?!
I thought I was trolling...

[Edwardo Piet]

It's okay Poca, you're only a level 2 Troll:



So enjoy your careful systematic search for a fishy mackerel partnership opportunity behind a boat

[Pat Mustard]

He is just trolling you guys for 88 pages already. Stop responding.

Not until he gets us our shrubbery! And then chops down the mightiest tree in the forest...with a herring!

[The Joker]

So, let us all now focus our attention on the four causes which I from stock knowledge know about:

Efficient cause
Final cause
Exemplary cause
(Material cause - mentioned by Simon Moon)


First, what is cause and what is effect?

Correct me though, because my stock knowledge could be wrong.

I will just - and be patient because I am going to say things again and you will be annoyed, but no need to be annoyed, just analyze my thoughts on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas – I will just repeat that cause is that which gives existence to a thing that did not have existence, and that thing having come to existence is called effect.

There, you now know what is cause and what is effect, they are like, if I may use my most favorite illustrations and examples, cause and effect are like papa and mama as cause and babies as effects.

Papas and mamas give existence to babies, that is everywhere in life, starting at home with us all who started life in a home with our papa and mama – yes, of course nowadays routinely in the maternity ward of the local hospital when mama had her acme of labor and delivered baby!

Let me read of your reactions to this post from yours truly, then I will know how to proceed next, so that you will continue on with me, both sides you and I now linked up, instead of each side going into his alien direction, like - this is supposed to be funny, your side is full of cu** and sh** and fu** (no more, dear colleagues in this direction from your side).

What I expect from us both sides, is to think on the four causes, namely:

Efficient cause
Final cause
Exemplary cause
Material cause (Simon Moon is an expert of material cause, in particular of molecules as material cause of his own coming to existence and life, not his papa and mama.)


Later.

Brother, you are wasting your time here, can't you see that they are simply not interested. It's time you take a break.

[Fake Messiah]

So, let us all now focus our attention on the four causes which I from stock knowledge know about:

Efficient cause
Final cause
Exemplary cause
(Material cause - mentioned by Simon Moon)


First, what is cause and what is effect?

Correct me though, because my stock knowledge could be wrong.

I will just - and be patient because I am going to say things again and you will be annoyed, but no need to be annoyed, just analyze my thoughts on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas – I will just repeat that cause is that which gives existence to a thing that did not have existence, and that thing having come to existence is called effect.

There, you now know what is cause and what is effect, they are like, if I may use my most favorite illustrations and examples, cause and effect are like papa and mama as cause and babies as effects.

Papas and mamas give existence to babies, that is everywhere in life, starting at home with us all who started life in a home with our papa and mama – yes, of course nowadays routinely in the maternity ward of the local hospital when mama had her acme of labor and delivered baby!

Let me read of your reactions to this post from yours truly, then I will know how to proceed next, so that you will continue on with me, both sides you and I now linked up, instead of each side going into his alien direction, like - this is supposed to be funny, your side is full of cu** and sh** and fu** (no more, dear colleagues in this direction from your side).

What I expect from us both sides, is to think on the four causes, namely:

Efficient cause
Final cause
Exemplary cause
Material cause (Simon Moon is an expert of material cause, in particular of molecules as material cause of his own coming to existence and life, not his papa and mama.)


Later.

Brother, you are wasting your time here, can't you see that they are simply not interested. It's time you take a break.

Wouldn't you be? You are new but almost every day a theist comes here and opens a new topic using these debunked ideas that supposedly prove existence of some yet unidentified god. Stick around and you'll get bored by their distorted science (like "how can we exist if everything came to by by blind chance?" or "if stronger is better in evolution how come there are sparrows?"). I mean stick around for few more days and you'll get fed up with that repetitive shit and their utter inability to learn.
So since religious people don't like to read science books or learn about science atheists made internet memes for them to read, since they're short on letters but also contain pictures.
Like this meme that contains the usual shtick of shitty arguments that theist use. Please read it theists, I know it has a lot of text for you but it's like forum's FAQ on topics and ideas you're eager to use and hear what we think about them (and even this meme has been on this forum few hundred times)

[Crossless2.0]

He is just trolling you guys for 88 pages already. Stop responding.

WUT?!
I thought I was trolling...

No, pocaracas, you weren't trolling. Here's how you can tell the difference: Your trolling would have involved thought and wit on your part and eventually would have resulted in grateful laughter and banter from your victims.

This one is as thought-provoking and charming as dog shit you can't scrape from your shoe. For that matter, I'd rather converse with dog shit.

[Mariosep]

Dear atheist colleagues here, now that you have mentioned evidence and I am inviting you and myself to work as to come to a concurred on concept of evidence and how it works, you are no longer interested.

See? And you blame me all the time that I am not attending to you.


So, the thread is on my proof of God existing, suppose you tell me in not more than fifty words what you want me to attend to you about, okay?

Why not more than fifty words? Because then you will not go astray and if you do, I will right away notice that you have gone astray, so I will save time to not read your posts further.

I propose that you atheists and me really talk about evidence, as that is the most interesting objection from you.


Later.


ANNEX 1

Babies are evidence of causation from an entity that corresponds to the concept of God, namely, in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

Now, you atheists and I a theist, we must work to concur on what is evidence, what is the target of evidence, how does evidence hit its target, which target once hit, leads us to know the existence of the something previously we did not know exists.

Are you capable and patient to work with me to know what is evidence, or you prefer to do the easy but wasteful thing, of cussing all the time?

You see, dear atheists here, you have one very good objection against God existing, namely you don't see evidence of God existing.

Suppose you try to analyze what you mean by seeing evidence; what about seeing babies, are they not visible to your eyes? and then you ask yourselves this question: Babies come from their papa and mama, you and I were babies also once, we came from our papa and mama, do you deny that?

Next, we ask or tell ourselves that papa and mama cause us to come forth from mama's womb after nine months of gestation, you deny that?

All that process is the evidence when you think about it, evidence to the existence ultimately of an entity that corresponds to the concept of God, namely, God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

Now, suppose as you atheists who are very keen on evidence, please present one atheist who has written an article for free reading in the internet, on evidence.

I am now waiting with bated breath to see you, oh atheist colleagues here, to give me the link to one atheist author of an internet article on evidence, for free reading by mankind who longs to see evidence of God existing.

That will be a most worthy contribution to useful knowledge, useful for resolving the existence or non-existence of God, more useful than you atheists cussing all the time.

Think about that, without cussing all the time, that is a most wasteful impediment to thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, to come to in our present context, what is evidence, what is the target of evidence, how does evidence hit its target, so that once the target is hit, we will know for sure the existence of the thing we did not know exist previously, because we did not have evidence.

Think!


Later.

ANNEX 2

88 pages and he's still stuck on this shit? Fuck.

Also 88 pages with absolutely no evidence, just rationalizations that are convincing only to those that already believe for some other reason. Fuck indeed.
2 kudos given by: downbeatplumb, Alasdair Ham

[pocaracas]

You're an idiot.
I used your definition and see if you even acknowledged what I said? No.
You're an idiot.
Damn....only 25 words.

[LastPoet]

Ha, little rik. Wtf happened to him?

[Asmodee]

Dear atheist colleagues here, now that you have mentioned evidence and I am inviting you and myself to work as to come to a concurred on concept of evidence and how it works, you are no longer interested.

See? And you blame me all the time that I am not attending to you.


So, the thread is on my proof of God existing, suppose you tell me in not more than fifty words what you want me to attend to you about, okay?

Why not more than fifty words? Because then you will not go astray and if you do, I will right away notice that you have gone astray, so I will save time to not read your posts further.

I propose that you atheists and me really talk about evidence, as that is the most interesting objection from you.

That's an easy one.  You want me to believe that magic is real, so, SHOW...ME...MAGIC!