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RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
November 29, 2016 at 4:36 pm
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(November 29, 2016 at 4:05 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (November 29, 2016 at 1:28 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I'm saying if I went back to Biblical times and God showed himself it would be far more plausible that it was an alien. And so there you have it, folks!
If you are unable to understand why an technologically advance alien race would be a more plausible explanation for the Bible events, that appeared to be supernatural (if they actually happened), then no wonder you are gullible enough to believe that crap in the first place.
Not saying aliens are the explanation for the allegedly supernatural events in the Bible, only that it is a more plausible explanation than a god.
If you want, I can list a few reasons why...
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
November 29, 2016 at 4:53 pm
(November 28, 2016 at 2:25 am)Ignorant Wrote: (November 28, 2016 at 12:30 am)Minimalist Wrote: Not only can jesusists not pinpoint his alleged birth they are equally sucky on the date of death. I've seen dates everywhere from 29-36 AD. That's a seven year spread. You'd think they could nail such an important date down a little closer than that, wouldn't you?
Why would I think that?
The vagueness of the story don't bother you?
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RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
November 29, 2016 at 5:11 pm
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(November 27, 2016 at 6:17 am)robvalue Wrote: Here's a question for religious theists who have some sort of story associated with their religion. If you had the chance, would you view the events for yourself, to see once and for all what really happened? There's a worm hole open, let's say, that you could look through. Maybe it happened just like you think, maybe it was a bit different, or maybe it was nothing like it.
Would you stick with whatever faith/confidence you have now, or would you check the facts to confirm? Why?
Yes of course, I would want to see for myself.... seems like an odd question!
Why? in any case, It seems like I would learn something that I probably didn't know.
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RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
November 29, 2016 at 5:13 pm
I rather think that's the point.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
November 29, 2016 at 5:20 pm
(November 29, 2016 at 4:05 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (November 29, 2016 at 1:28 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: I'm saying if I went back to Biblical times and God showed himself it would be far more plausible that it was an alien. And so there you have it, folks!
It certainly fucking would.
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RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
November 29, 2016 at 5:30 pm
(November 29, 2016 at 4:53 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (November 28, 2016 at 2:25 am)Ignorant Wrote: Why would I think that?
The vagueness of the story don't bother you?
Not really, no. What is bothersome about that?
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RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
November 29, 2016 at 8:32 pm
(November 29, 2016 at 11:45 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (November 28, 2016 at 8:28 am)purplepurpose Wrote: At that point your faith would transform in to the knowledge. And you will be have to choose whatever you want to follow Gods laws. Also, your freedom of choice would be crippled by the fear, for example, of enjoying too much and becoming qualified for some sort of purgatory in the afterlife.
Would you not do as many on AF say and attribute any apparent miracles to mass delusions or extraterrestrials? Seems to me from my time here that any explanation, no matter how implausible, is preferred over divine intervention.
What would it take to convince you that you'd met an omniscient and omnipotent being? Suppose I'm claiming to be God, what evidence would I need to provide you with for you to conclude that I am God?
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RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
November 29, 2016 at 9:06 pm
(November 29, 2016 at 5:30 pm)Ignorant Wrote: (November 29, 2016 at 4:53 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The vagueness of the story don't bother you?
Not really, no. What is bothersome about that?
Thank goodness the world does not have to rely on your driving curiosity for progress.
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RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
November 30, 2016 at 12:05 am
(November 29, 2016 at 4:36 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (November 29, 2016 at 4:05 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: And so there you have it, folks!
If you are unable to understand why an technologically advance alien race would be a more plausible explanation for the Bible events, that appeared to be supernatural (if they actually happened), then no wonder you are gullible enough to believe that crap in the first place.
Not saying aliens are the explanation for the allegedly supernatural events in the Bible, only that it is a more plausible explanation than a god.
If you want, I can list a few reasons why...
Epic post and thank you Simon.
I'd love to hear those reasons myself! I feel like you'll articulate it better than I would
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RE: Theists: would you view the truth?
November 30, 2016 at 6:11 am
(November 28, 2016 at 12:45 am)vorlon13 Wrote: (November 28, 2016 at 12:30 am)Minimalist Wrote: Not only can jesusists not pinpoint his alleged birth they are equally sucky on the date of death. I've seen dates everywhere from 29-36 AD. That's a seven year spread. You'd think they could nail such an important date down a little closer than that, wouldn't you?
You'd need a skilled linguist (assuming this is even possible) to ascertain what is going on, assuming the wormhole can conduct sound too.
It's my understanding there were numerous sidewalk preachers then as now, would it even be possible to recognize Jesus amidst the others? Recall, we have no verbatim quotes from Jesus.
All candidates would need to be evaluated, and I'll be damned to imagine what kind of criteria one could come up with to winnow the wheat from the chaff.
If Jesus is a composite character, or echoed ideas voiced by (an)other preacher(s), this endeavor could turn into a cluster fuck.
BTW, for this to work, photons and sound waves will be removed from the timeline anywhere you examining. You'll be affecting everything that happens subsequently.
Additionally, if the receiving end of the wormhole is noted, and you're in the vicinity of Jesus when it happens, his followers are going to conflate your interaction with their present as a manifestation of Jesus/God/Holy Spirit. You'll have a direct impact on subsequent Christian theology.
Very good points as usual Vorls...
How do we know for certain that I didn't go through the wormhole at some point in the future?
Maybe it was me they wrote about? I have watched all the dynamo episodes btw...
So everybody, play safe and get on your knees and impress me!
{get up Vorls, it was a figure of speech ...you know I'm not like that ...}
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