An alternative to atheist thought

[ignoramus]

Energy must be intelligent, else we could not have any degree of intelligence

Fallacious comment.

Here's an atheistic pro tip that will never let you down. EVER.
There's 100% no such thing as woo. Take that to the bank.
(This Includes Intelligent Energy, Intelligent Design, Intelligent Presidents, etc).

[Harry Nevis]

Obviously true? So, if people may never recognize it without your "help", how obvious could it be?

The problem has to do with a sort of blindfold we have over our reasoning or understanding.   Since very  early in life, We are continuously trained to think in a certain way,  to interpret events in a certain way. This training does not let us see the signs because we've been taught to ignore them.  Take that away and the situation is very obvious.

No, it's not.  What you are calling understanding is mere acceptance.  And what you're calling reasoning is rationalization.  And hindrance we have added to our reasoning and understand has been primarily provided by myths such as religion.

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Hi. Are you perhaps going through a rough period in life?

... But I can tell your theory (or concept whichever you prefer) has religious roots, you know, spirits, one god, evil, etc.

You seem to be a kind person.   I'm doing OK in every sense, according to normal standards. Thanks.

I believe my concept is rooted in facts. A spirit is the non-physical portion of a person,  his or her consciousness. That's a fact. Evil is the cause of pain and suffering. We know everybody suffers.  That's a fact. I don't believe in God; however,  there has to be a primordial source in the universe.  You and I have sources:  Our parents.  They had sources,  which each also had a source.  These are all facts.  Let's go back 4 billions years: something produced the earth, and the earth became the source of all life on the planet.  So the earth has a source and is a source also.  Let's go back all the way;  something gave rise to the first source of the material universe:  The Source of all sources.  This is a fact, not religious.  The 1st cause (the one that preceded all of the other causes and effects)  (think of the domino effect) has produced disgusting results,  which we see and experience today. I know to most people it's no problem,  but I don't believe it's right.

You know, it's easy to notice and interact with matter.  Non-material things are more difficult to perceive,  but don't make the mistake of believing  they do not exist.  It would be similar to claiming viruses or bacteria don't exist because we can't see them. I'm not talking about mysticism. There are thousands of cases of brief clinical deaths, where the people that were resuscitated report having experiences outside of their bodies,
This while their brains  and hearts were dead.   This is a fact. Concepts,  ideas,  feelings,  thoughts, awareness,  and the like are non-physical and very important to us.  This is a fact.  Religions lie and blind people.   They seek to control people. Believe me,  I'm not religious.

You're throwing around the word "fact" pretty loosely. It is not a fact there is a primordial source in the universe.  It is not a fact there was a first cause.

Bacteria can be seen. NDEs are crap.  No one has been brought back from being brain dead.

You may say you're not religious, but practically everything you've written is religious, in the broad definition.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Hi, they say that the devil's greatest deceit is to convince people he doesn't exist. 

They are full of shit.

[Harry Nevis]

Energy must be intelligent, else we could not have any degree of intelligence. Energy must be intelligent because everything is made of it and we see clear evidence of intelligence at work in the world and within ourselves. I cannot prove it to you, but I know this intelligence is good and evil at the same time (like having multiple personalities, a split mind). This is my way of making sense of the reality in which I exist. It does not have to be yours or anyone else's. I said this before, I am just sharing my interpretation of everything I have learned and experienced in my life because I think some people may find it useful.

Your first statement is unsupported by anything but conjecture. Good and evil have no meaning outside the human mind.

[Cyberman]

Hi, they say that the devil's greatest deceit is to convince people he doesn't exist. 

They are full of shit.

The devil's greatest achievement was to convince people he is God. Inasmuch as the characters have any more relevance than Pinky and the Brain, anyway.

[BlindedWantsToSee]

To me, denying the existence of intelligence in life, or the world, or the universe, or in energy is like denying the presence of coldness in a glass of iced tea that's full of ice.

So, intelligence exists.

We know that everything is made of matter and energy that's constantly changing form.

Logical deduction: intelligence is made of energy and matter.

Also logical deduction: energy and matter have the capacity to take the form of intelligence, and in fact they do.

But you know what? It really does not matter whether it is intelligence, or stupidity, or madness, or evil, or chaos, or something else that is causing the current state of affairs to be what it is. Something is causing our lives, the world, and the whole universe to be what they are. Out of the 7 billion human lives in the world the great majority lives in hardship. Out of the ones that have their material needs met, the majority do not know how to live happily. Whatever is causing all this suffering is not good. It has been doing what it does, for a long time, and it is not going to stop. I believe that even fortunate or privileged people at some time will eventually fall victims to the cruelty of life. That's the idea I want to convey.

Take what you like out of this, or don't take any of it. What we believe or dont believe, or what we understand or fail to understand doesn't change reality. It is what it is (unless we do something about it, of course).

[Silver]

To me, denying the existence of intelligence in life, or the world, or the universe, or in energy is like denying the presence of coldness in a glass of iced tea that's full of ice.

So, intelligence exists.

We know that everything is made of matter and energy that's constantly changing form.

Logical deduction: intelligence is made of energy and matter.

Also logical deduction: energy and matter have the capacity to take the form of intelligence, and in fact they do.

But you know what? It really does not matter whether it is intelligence, or stupidity, or madness, or evil, or chaos, or something else that is causing the current state of affairs to be what it is. Something is causing our lives, the world, and the whole universe to be what they are. Out of the 7 billion human lives in the world the great majority lives in hardship. Out of the ones that have their material needs met, the majority do not know how to live happily. Whatever is causing all this suffering is not good. It has been doing what it does, for a long time, and it is not going to stop. I believe that even fortunate or privileged people at some time will eventually fall victims to the cruelty of life. That's the idea I want to convey.

Take what you like out of this, or don't take any of it. What we believe or dont believe, or what we understand or fail to understand doesn't change reality. It is what it is (unless we do something about it, of course).

We, humans, are the intelligence in life.
There is no supernatural creator intelligence.

[Cyberman]

To me, denying the existence of intelligence in life, or the world, or the universe, or in energy is like denying the presence of coldness in a glass of iced tea that's full of ice.

It's not about denying anything. It's about not shackling oneself to something before it's been demonstrated. That's your job.

[JackRussell]

Emergent properties

pattern seeking mammals

being comfortable with saying I don't know.

I'm never comfortable with people that say they know. Why does your experience trump mine?

Glad you feel okay with it, but why should I give a shit?

Evidence baby.

[SaStrike]

To me, denying the existence of intelligence in life, or the world, or the universe, or in energy is like denying the presence of coldness in a glass of iced tea that's full of ice.

So, intelligence exists.

We know that everything is made of matter and energy that's constantly changing form.

Logical deduction: intelligence is made of energy and matter.

Also logical deduction: energy and matter have the capacity to take the form of intelligence, and in fact they do.

But you know what? It really does not matter whether it is intelligence, or stupidity, or madness, or evil, or chaos, or something else that is causing the current state of affairs to be what it is. Something is causing our lives, the world, and the whole universe to be what they are. Out of the 7 billion human lives in the world the great majority lives in hardship. Out of the ones that have their material needs met, the majority do not know how to live happily. Whatever is causing all this suffering is not good. It has been doing what it does, for a long time, and it is not going to stop. I believe that even fortunate or privileged people at some time will eventually fall victims to the cruelty of life. That's the idea I want to convey.

Take what you like out of this, or don't take any of it. What we believe or dont believe, or what we understand or fail to understand doesn't change reality. It is what it is (unless we do something about it, of course).

Seems to me it's as if you expect life to be bliss or something. Again, perhaps from being taught about heaven earlier in life? Yes life is not fair or ideal or perfect, but mass suicide? Really? Isn't that more like running away from the problem instead of trying to fix it? Also I don't see how this is on the universal scale. This is small scale earthly life you're talking about. So why is all the energy in the entire universe intelligent and evil or sick or psychotic? Those are just human conditions and words.

Religion tends to put humanity as the centre of the universe and the special children that deserve eternal happiness. You are sort of doing that in your theory. If we didnt have to eat animals or plants would you be ok? If we were to eat rocks for example? Just curious.