Vaccination exemption in CA, personal down, medical up

[Amarok]

If by shower you mean the  cement shack  without internal plumbing . Where icy water from the river was pumped through a fire hoses . Then sprayed over us . Then yes we had a shower . The only one in town as white horse had no plumbing system when i was a kid . 

 Oh god the shrinkage!!!!

Aye, but you didn't have to work at mill for tuppence a year!

True   

My first job was taking care of huskies (especially the pups)

 

[Pat Mustard]

Ye had showers at school? Lucky bastard.

If by shower you mean the  cement shack  without internal plumbing . Where icy water from the river was pumped through a fire hoses . Then sprayed over us . Then yes we had a shower . The only one in town as white horse had no plumbing system when i was a kid . 

 Oh god the shrinkage!!!!

Ye lot had a pump for water. Primitive and outmoded concept on a crutch, boy, you were living in the lap of luxury.

To get water up out of the river as a lad, I had to suck it up in my mouth, run five miles, spit the water out, come back and start all over again. But I was happy in those days. Too poor to know better.

[Amarok]

If by shower you mean the  cement shack  without internal plumbing . Where icy water from the river was pumped through a fire hoses . Then sprayed over us . Then yes we had a shower . The only one in town as white horse had no plumbing system when i was a kid . 

 Oh god the shrinkage!!!!

Ye lot had a pump for water. Primitive and outmoded concept on a crutch, boy, you were living in the lap of luxury.

To get water up out of the river as a lad, I had to suck it up in my mouth, run five miles, spit the water out, come back and start all over again. But I was happy in those days. Too poor to know better.

I'm not trying a my life was hard story . I was just describing the shower .

But yes it sucked .

Especially the shrinkage

[Pat Mustard]

Ye lot had a pump for water. Primitive and outmoded concept on a crutch, boy, you were living in the lap of luxury.

To get water up out of the river as a lad, I had to suck it up in my mouth, run five miles, spit the water out, come back and start all over again. But I was happy in those days. Too poor to know better.

I'm not trying a my life was hard story . I was just describing the shower .

But yes it sucked .

Especially the shrinkage

Just fecking with ya. I know your life was harder than mine growing up.

[Bob Kelso]

I just don't think not vaccinating falls under child neglect. I mean, child neglect is a form of abuse and is a criminal act.

In what world is preventing your children from receiving the help they need to keep from contracting completely avoidable diseases *not* child neglect?

And damn, CL, the argument of freedom for something like this? Fuckin hell...

M- "Oh, Sue?"
S- "Yes, Mary?"
M- "Little Johnny is perilously close to that ravine, don't you think you should intervene?"
S- "I'm a free American, Mary, fuck you."

Two different scenarios to be sure, but I'd say it's the same level of accountability. Will no one think of Little Johnny Sonofabitch?

[LadyForCamus]

I just don't think not vaccinating falls under child neglect. I mean, child neglect is a form of abuse and is a criminal act.

In what world is preventing your children from receiving the help they need to keep from contracting completely avoidable diseases *not* child neglect?

And damn, CL, the argument of freedom for something like this? Fuckin hell...

M- "Oh, Sue?"
S- "Yes, Mary?"
M- "Little Johnny is perilously close to that ravine, don't you think you should intervene?"
S- "I'm a free American, Mary, fuck you."

Two different scenarios to be sure, but I'd say it's the same level of accountability. Will no one think of Little Johnny Sonofabitch?

Nice to see you around again, Bob!

[Ravenshire]

I just don't think not vaccinating falls under child neglect. I mean, child neglect is a form of abuse and is a criminal act.

In what world is preventing your children from receiving the help they need to keep from contracting completely avoidable diseases *not* child neglect?

And damn, CL, the argument of freedom for something like this? Fuckin hell...

M- "Oh, Sue?"
S- "Yes, Mary?"
M- "Little Johnny is perilously close to that ravine, don't you think you should intervene?"
S- "I'm a free American, Mary, fuck you."

Two different scenarios to be sure, but I'd say it's the same level of accountability. Will no one think of Little Johnny Sonofabitch?

She seems to be avoiding this question given the number of times it's been asked (many) and the number of times she's answered (none). She seems to be completely ok with "but, the parents really believe they're doing the right thing."

[Succubus]

My first job was taking care of huskies (especially the pups)

 

Why does that dog look like Gawdzilla Sama's cat?

[Catholic_Lady]

In what world is preventing your children from receiving the help they need to keep from contracting completely avoidable diseases *not* child neglect?

And damn, CL, the argument of freedom for something like this? Fuckin hell...

M- "Oh, Sue?"
S- "Yes, Mary?"
M- "Little Johnny is perilously close to that ravine, don't you think you should intervene?"
S- "I'm a free American, Mary, fuck you."

Two different scenarios to be sure, but I'd say it's the same level of accountability. Will no one think of Little Johnny Sonofabitch?

She seems to be avoiding this question given the number of times it's been asked (many) and the number of times she's answered (none). She seems to be completely ok with "but, the parents really believe they're doing the right thing."

I already addressed this earlier on in the thread. Simply choosing not to give a vax bc you think the vax might hurt your child is completely different from not giving a child medical care when they are ill, not giving them food or water, not getting them away from a ravine, and all the other extreme examples given. Even Bob himself admitted they were definitely 2 different scenarios.

Mind you, I still find it unwise to not vaccinate, but child abuse? A crime? No.

[Succubus]

I'm not trying a my life was hard story . I was just describing the shower .

But yes it sucked .

Especially the shrinkage

Just fecking with ya. I know your life was harder than mine growing up.

I'm one of quadruplets aborted at age three weeks, we live in a specimen jar at Royal London Hospital. So don't talk to me about the hardships of growing up!

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She seems to be avoiding this question given the number of times it's been asked (many) and the number of times she's answered (none). She seems to be completely ok with "but, the parents really believe they're doing the right thing."

I already addressed this earlier on in the thread. Simply choosing not to give a vax bc you think the vax might hurt your child is completely different from not giving a child medical care when they are ill, not giving them food or water, not getting them away from a ravine, and all the other extreme examples given. Even Bob himself admitted they were definitely 2 different scenarios.

Mind you, I still find it unwise to not vaccinate, but child abuse? A crime? No.

Do you agree there are trains of though, attitudes, in our society that are malignant and pernicious. And that these attitudes have a great potential to do damage to us as a group? Forget immunisation just for now, what is your opinion of homoeopathy for example. Should parents be openly mocked  for giving snake oil to their kids, or should we show them some sympathy, some understanding?