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Vaccination exemption in CA, personal down, medical up
RE: Vaccination exemption in CA, personal down, medical up
(September 27, 2017 at 4:21 pm)Succubus Wrote:
(September 27, 2017 at 3:35 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: If by shower you mean the  cement shack  without internal plumbing . Where icy water from the river was pumped through a fire hoses . Then sprayed over us . Then yes we had a shower . The only one in town as white horse had no plumbing system when i was a kid . 

 Oh god the shrinkage!!!! Sad

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RE: Vaccination exemption in CA, personal down, medical up
(September 27, 2017 at 3:35 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:
Quote:Ye had showers at school? Lucky bastard.
If by shower you mean the  cement shack  without internal plumbing . Where icy water from the river was pumped through a fire hoses . Then sprayed over us . Then yes we had a shower . The only one in town as white horse had no plumbing system when i was a kid . 

 Oh god the shrinkage!!!! Sad

Ye lot had a pump for water. Primitive and outmoded concept on a crutch, boy, you were living in the lap of luxury.

To get water up out of the river as a lad, I had to suck it up in my mouth, run five miles, spit the water out, come back and start all over again. But I was happy in those days. Too poor to know better.
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RE: Vaccination exemption in CA, personal down, medical up
(September 27, 2017 at 4:44 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:
(September 27, 2017 at 3:35 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: If by shower you mean the  cement shack  without internal plumbing . Where icy water from the river was pumped through a fire hoses . Then sprayed over us . Then yes we had a shower . The only one in town as white horse had no plumbing system when i was a kid . 

 Oh god the shrinkage!!!! Sad

Ye lot had a pump for water. Primitive and outmoded concept on a crutch, boy, you were living in the lap of luxury.

To get water up out of the river as a lad, I had to suck it up in my mouth, run five miles, spit the water out, come back and start all over again. But I was happy in those days. Too poor to know better.
I'm not trying a my life was hard story . I was just describing the shower . Dodgy

But yes it sucked .

Especially the shrinkage
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RE: Vaccination exemption in CA, personal down, medical up
(September 27, 2017 at 4:47 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:
(September 27, 2017 at 4:44 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: Ye lot had a pump for water. Primitive and outmoded concept on a crutch, boy, you were living in the lap of luxury.

To get water up out of the river as a lad, I had to suck it up in my mouth, run five miles, spit the water out, come back and start all over again. But I was happy in those days. Too poor to know better.
I'm not trying a my life was hard story . I was just describing the shower . Dodgy

But yes it sucked .

Especially the shrinkage

Just fecking with ya. I know your life was harder than mine growing up.
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RE: Vaccination exemption in CA, personal down, medical up
(September 26, 2017 at 10:48 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I just don't think not vaccinating falls under child neglect. I mean, child neglect is a form of abuse and is a criminal act.

In what world is preventing your children from receiving the help they need to keep from contracting completely avoidable diseases *not* child neglect?

And damn, CL, the argument of freedom for something like this? Fuckin hell...

M- "Oh, Sue?"
S- "Yes, Mary?"
M- "Little Johnny is perilously close to that ravine, don't you think you should intervene?"
S- "I'm a free American, Mary, fuck you."

Two different scenarios to be sure, but I'd say it's the same level of accountability. Will no one think of Little Johnny Sonofabitch?
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RE: Vaccination exemption in CA, personal down, medical up
(September 27, 2017 at 7:12 pm)Bob Kelso Wrote:
(September 26, 2017 at 10:48 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I just don't think not vaccinating falls under child neglect. I mean, child neglect is a form of abuse and is a criminal act.

In what world is preventing your children from receiving the help they need to keep from contracting completely avoidable diseases *not* child neglect?

And damn, CL, the argument of freedom for something like this? Fuckin hell...

M- "Oh, Sue?"
S- "Yes, Mary?"
M- "Little Johnny is perilously close to that ravine, don't you think you should intervene?"
S- "I'm a free American, Mary, fuck you."

Two different scenarios to be sure, but I'd say it's the same level of accountability. Will no one think of Little Johnny Sonofabitch?

Nice to see you around again, Bob!
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RE: Vaccination exemption in CA, personal down, medical up
(September 27, 2017 at 7:12 pm)Bob Kelso Wrote:
(September 26, 2017 at 10:48 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I just don't think not vaccinating falls under child neglect. I mean, child neglect is a form of abuse and is a criminal act.

In what world is preventing your children from receiving the help they need to keep from contracting completely avoidable diseases *not* child neglect?

And damn, CL, the argument of freedom for something like this? Fuckin hell...

M- "Oh, Sue?"
S- "Yes, Mary?"
M- "Little Johnny is perilously close to that ravine, don't you think you should intervene?"
S- "I'm a free American, Mary, fuck you."

Two different scenarios to be sure, but I'd say it's the same level of accountability. Will no one think of Little Johnny Sonofabitch?

She seems to be avoiding this question given the number of times it's been asked (many) and the number of times she's answered (none). She seems to be completely ok with "but, the parents really believe they're doing the right thing."
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RE: Vaccination exemption in CA, personal down, medical up
(September 27, 2017 at 4:25 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: My first job was taking care of huskies (especially the pups)

 
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Why does that dog look like Gawdzilla Sama's cat?
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Vaccination exemption in CA, personal down, medical up
(September 27, 2017 at 8:24 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:
(September 27, 2017 at 7:12 pm)Bob Kelso Wrote: In what world is preventing your children from receiving the help they need to keep from contracting completely avoidable diseases *not* child neglect?

And damn, CL, the argument of freedom for something like this? Fuckin hell...

M- "Oh, Sue?"
S- "Yes, Mary?"
M- "Little Johnny is perilously close to that ravine, don't you think you should intervene?"
S- "I'm a free American, Mary, fuck you."

Two different scenarios to be sure, but I'd say it's the same level of accountability. Will no one think of Little Johnny Sonofabitch?

She seems to be avoiding this question given the number of times it's been asked (many) and the number of times she's answered (none). She seems to be completely ok with "but, the parents really believe they're doing the right thing."

I already addressed this earlier on in the thread. Simply choosing not to give a vax bc you think the vax might hurt your child is completely different from not giving a child medical care when they are ill, not giving them food or water, not getting them away from a ravine, and all the other extreme examples given. Even Bob himself admitted they were definitely 2 different scenarios.

Mind you, I still find it unwise to not vaccinate, but child abuse? A crime? No.
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RE: Vaccination exemption in CA, personal down, medical up
(September 27, 2017 at 6:02 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:
(September 27, 2017 at 4:47 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I'm not trying a my life was hard story . I was just describing the shower . Dodgy

But yes it sucked .

Especially the shrinkage

Just fecking with ya. I know your life was harder than mine growing up.

I'm one of quadruplets aborted at age three weeks, we live in a specimen jar at Royal London Hospital. So don't talk to me about the hardships of growing up!

(September 27, 2017 at 8:50 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
(September 27, 2017 at 8:24 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: She seems to be avoiding this question given the number of times it's been asked (many) and the number of times she's answered (none). She seems to be completely ok with "but, the parents really believe they're doing the right thing."

I already addressed this earlier on in the thread. Simply choosing not to give a vax bc you think the vax might hurt your child is completely different from not giving a child medical care when they are ill, not giving them food or water, not getting them away from a ravine, and all the other extreme examples given. Even Bob himself admitted they were definitely 2 different scenarios.

Mind you, I still find it unwise to not vaccinate, but child abuse? A crime? No.

Do you agree there are trains of though, attitudes, in our society that are malignant and pernicious. And that these attitudes have a great potential to do damage to us as a group? Forget immunisation just for now, what is your opinion of homoeopathy for example. Should parents be openly mocked  for giving snake oil to their kids, or should we show them some sympathy, some understanding?
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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