Proof that God exists

[JackRussell]

I cannot fathom how anybody could not understand sunrise and sunsets as understood phenomenon.

I guess it's like Bill O'Reilly's "Tide comes in, tides go out; you cannot explain this.'

It's this stupidity that leads to evolution denial, flat earth, 9-11 conspiracy, moon landing hoax, fairies and bigfoot.

Stupidity fears no revelation.

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't think it's really like that.  I think that the case is more an issue of an elaborate but irrelevant set of propositions that...for whatever reason, someone has been lead to believe are of utmost salience to the topic at hand.

God because -then where did consciousness come from, huh?  What possible selective benefit could it have!

etc.

[JackRussell]

I get that. Irrelevant propositions, not understanding the difference between soundness and validity within a logical argument, pure indoctrination, poor education, wishful thinking.

I guess in the TV age too many people have taken wilful suspension of disbelief to the extreme.

[The Grand Nudger]

IKR?  You're supposed to shelve it when the man puts the bunny back in the hat, thanks everyone, and says goodnight.  Some people, though, seem to see rabbits popping up from manhole covers on the streets.  These people are impossible to maintain an informative conversation with..they don;t even know what -they're- thinking..truly..and so they inevitably ramble.

This makes me, a natural atheist (lol) who has never given this god shit the time of day or even thought it was anything other than deplorably silly to do so...assume they;ve either flown the coop..or are bullshitting me with pious theatre. Yeah, they say it, but they don't know what it means..so how could they possibly believe it, let alone defend the proposition in a rational discussion?

[The Valkyrie]

I cannot fathom how anybody could not understand sunrise and sunsets as understood phenomenon.

I guess it's like Bill O'Reilly's "Tide comes in, tides go out; you cannot explain this.'

It's this stupidity that leads to evolution denial, flat earth, 9-11 conspiracy, moon landing hoax, fairies and bigfoot.

Stupidity fears no revelation.

Wait.

Fairies aren't real?

Next thing you'll be telling me Santa isn't real.

[Cyberman]

[The Valkyrie]

You heathens want PROOF??


I'll give you PROOF!!





Wait.

That's Zod.

Never mind!

[Agnosty]

You have trouble with logic, Agnosty. 

All of us do, really. Our brains are programmed with type 1 thinking, and we have to LEARN logic. I still commit fallacies. Even G.E. Moore, a famous philosopher has been accused of fallacious reasoning. 

If someone is suffering from fallacious logic, one doesn't appeal to the mob in calumny peppered with "post bong hit" jabs unless one is himself suffering from lapses in logic (or is the catholic church) or else why the need to rally the mob?  All you'd need to do is kindly pinpoint my error and we'd be good.  Ah... but therein lies the problem.  You can't win on a fair field, but losing is also not an option, so every man to their pitchforks!

When you said holding the position "2+2=4" was not "objective" because one is not open to other possibilities, I knew that you both misunderstood logic and had an eccentric definition for the word "objective." 

And when I knew you couldn't see it, I knew conversing is hopeless.  You're accusing me of your deficiency.

The good news is, it's fixable. If you manage to stick around, I will personally do my best to show you where your logic fails--not to be a dick... to help you.

I never intended to stick around since social evolution dictated this course of events in such minutely predictable fashion and to have suspected it would have unfolded differently would have been a REAL lapse in logic.  What I set out to accomplish, has been accomplished and I received no valid objection to my hypothesis.  The mudslinging was anticipated because when folks are out of ammo, they resort to chucking whatever is handy.

You accused science of confirmation bias because "it uses empiricism to prove empiricism."

That demonstrates your inability to comprehend the problem.  Using observation to prove observation is not the same as seeking to prove what you suspect.  Observe the definition of confirmation bias again.

And, oh yeah, "thanks for playing"     <--- see what contemptible obnoxiousness such plebeian vernacular indicates?

I told you that was false: one uses logic to arrive at empiricism. I even recommended Locke's "Essay Concerning Human Understanding" which explains the process from the ground up, and you were like "I read Locke once; he didn't impress me much." Or something like that. Well, obviously that's your loss.

Not my loss.  Locke wasn't that elucidating.  However, I'm beginning to see how you think he's a grand poobah.  You may try doing some pioneering of your own ground rather than riding on the backs of others, but don't take my advice since I've a lapse in logic and aren't chained to Locke.

These aren't insults.

They were intended to be, regardless whether they actually are or not.

These are not conjecture.

It's unfortunate is that you honestly believe that.

You need to work on logic. You need to read up on the foundations of empiricism.

I'm sure I need to do a lot of things.

I was really exited to see that you were posting stuff arguing for a sort of "true agnosticism" rather than "atheist leaning" because it's an interesting position. If you learned some basic logic like burden of proof among other things, you could really add to the discussions.

Now that's gold!  If I learned some stuff, then I could teach some stuff LOL  I'm in a bewilderment how you're able to type with all the back-patting you're doing.

And stop taking things so personally.

Then stop making them personal.  Focus on the topic instead of making ME the topic (ie ad hom).

The theists have nothing to fear so long as the atheist stay exactly as they are.

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I'm all for continuing to treat you like a dick.

That means you're going to put me in your mouth? Well, pull your foot out before you do.

[SaStrike]

It's ok to be wrong.

[Agnosty]

It's ok to be wrong.

You should try it sometime.  

"There is a wonderful security in admitting you're wrong because, when you're wrong, you're sure to be right." - Alan Watts.  

The only way to be right is to first be wrong.  If you can't be wrong, you can never be right... it's like a deadend... a blockage that prevents further progress.  Intelligence, therefore, is a function of one's propensity to admit error.

"The fool who persists in his folly will become wise." - William Blake.

Alan used the example of the flat-earther.  He said you can't convince a flat-earther the earth is round because he KNOWS it's flat.  You have to make him "persist in his folly"... that is, you have to take him for a walk to have a look over the edge... and when he comes back to the place he started, he is convinced the earth is at least cylindrical.

The Backfire Effect happens when evidence is presented contrary to the beliefs of a person which causes the opposite of the intended effect.  In other words, the more evidence you produce, the more they dig in.  The way around that is to help them "persist in their folly" by asking them to explain their position more specifically until you get them to the point that they realize they don't know as much as they thought.

Everyone should be aware of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe5pv4khM-Y

Alternatively, you could continue in the persistence of your folly of ad hominuous attacks for which atheists have become so notorious.

Consider this fine representative:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avep_1vbUOA

Ethan Bolen - Deep down all atheists are jsut like this man...
Emperor Palpatine - internet atheims in nutshell
mah38900 - It's like a guy yelling YouTube comments in real life
Laana Sou - That's how i imagine most of the atheists on the internet. Crazy
Sasha Shepherd - lol i thought he did a fine job representing atheism
gcHK47 - And atheists wonder why they're the world's most hated minority.
JugularCandy - Your average atheist, ladies and gentlemen
scartissue454 - lmao it's like an atheist commenter on youtube but in real life
asdf - Just your average atheist, move along.
sweettrav20 - You know. This behavior is very common among new atheist. The rage they display is unreal.

Keep persisting!  Evolution may one day make you wise.  Until then, keep trying the same button