Rebellion against god

[Nay_Sayer]

I'm not hiding. Of COURSE I only believe in what I see.  I believe in what can be measured, documented, and verified.  
--  What?  A love life is based only upon fantasy?  Well, that's just sad.

And I'm pretty sick of snake-oil salesmen disrespecting me because I don't share their fantasies and their imaginary friends.
All of that "you have to SEEK", "you have to PRAY", "you have to FEEL HIM IN YOUR HEART" is crap that only works in group-think tribal gatherings where people feed on each other's emotions and suspend critical thinking skills.  And it's crap that is pure manipulation.  Witch doctors have gotten away with that "believe me or burn" bullshit for thousands of years, and it's well beyond time for people listening to them to say "put up or shut up".  PROVE IT.  

Not a single preacher, Pope, Imam, Priest, Guru, etc., has been able to offer a single millisecond's worth of proof that a deity exists in the last 2000 years at least.  The Pope has no proof. Prove it, without religious books or writings, without a human being yammering on about their fantasy witness stories, without "apologetics".  If your God can't prove its own existence all by itself, it's not worth a moment's attention.

If you don't have anything to do with the above, you should be fairly contented I'd imagine, but your language says otherwise.

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My mind, which has the capacity to reason, critically think, and evaluate, understands that unevidenced supernatural claims can and should be rationally dismissed.

Like a work of art that has no artist if the artist can't be seen.

Or a book that has no author, if he or she doesn't show up on demand by those who would like to burn the book.

+1 I have 2 paintings in my living room blessed to me by the holy FSM, Materialized in my room before my eyes.

They are signed but It's just to throw off the doubting Thomases. 

RAmen

[Amarok]

Like a work of art that has no artist if the artist can't be seen

Existence is not a painting . And we know who paints painting human beings 

Or a book that has no author, if he or she doesn't show up on demand by those who would like to burn the book.

Existence is not a book . And we know who writes books human beings 

And neither of these examples work because unlike a writer or a painter . He can reveal himself to the citizens of both .

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Millions agree with you. They can't all be wrong...so they reason.

Yes they can . The question is are they wrong ?

[Cyberman]

Of course they can all be wrong!

And if what they think doesn't match reality, they are wrong!

(Watch this clown deny that reality is real, just to make his fairytale true...)

[rskovride]

(Watch this clown deny that reality is real, just to make his fairytale true...)

Yep, queue up Descartes stage left .

[LadyForCamus]

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My mind, which has the capacity to reason, critically think, and evaluate, understands that unevidenced supernatural claims can and should be rationally dismissed.

Like a work of art that has no artist if the artist can't be seen.

Or a book that has no author, if he or she doesn't show up on demand by those who would like to burn the book.

People are not man-made artifacts, so your analogy as a point, is a failure.  We know when we read a book or look at a painting that these things had a creator, because we already know that human beings create these objects.  Everywhere we turn, we can see evidence that humans write books and paint paintings. There is no evidence OTOH that human beings, or any other forms of life, were designed.  When theists come here thinking they’re arguing for intelligent design, all they’re actually doing is demonstrating their fundamental misunderstanding of the scientific underpinnings that best explain the diversity of life on earth.  You’re going to have to do better than an argument from ignorance or personal incredulity.

[drfuzzy]

I'm not hiding. Of COURSE I only believe in what I see.  I believe in what can be measured, documented, and verified.  
--  What?  A love life is based only upon fantasy?  Well, that's just sad.

And I'm pretty sick of snake-oil salesmen disrespecting me because I don't share their fantasies and their imaginary friends.
All of that "you have to SEEK", "you have to PRAY", "you have to FEEL HIM IN YOUR HEART" is crap that only works in group-think tribal gatherings where people feed on each other's emotions and suspend critical thinking skills.  And it's crap that is pure manipulation.  Witch doctors have gotten away with that "believe me or burn" bullshit for thousands of years, and it's well beyond time for people listening to them to say "put up or shut up".  PROVE IT.  

Not a single preacher, Pope, Imam, Priest, Guru, etc., has been able to offer a single millisecond's worth of proof that a deity exists in the last 2000 years at least.  The Pope has no proof. Prove it, without religious books or writings, without a human being yammering on about their fantasy witness stories, without "apologetics".  If your God can't prove its own existence all by itself, it's not worth a moment's attention.

If you don't have anything to do with the above, you should be fairly contented I'd imagine, but your language says otherwise.

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My mind, which has the capacity to reason, critically think, and evaluate, understands that unevidenced supernatural claims can and should be rationally dismissed.

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Like a work of art that has no artist if the artist can't be seen.

Or a book that has no author, if he or she doesn't show up on demand by those who would like to burn the book.

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Moving along, why is it that you can produce nothing from god and atheists have to remind you that your claims are about the god nobody believes in? You don't believe in it either. You are unable to determine if you beleive in bible god, or some sect of bible god or some peculiar god you made up.

By now, you are not even a christian, since most of those would hold you to be a heretic.

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So barging into people's doors as a JW didn't work for you, but now as a confused atheist you claim to know what Christianity is?

Which flag are you flying?

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    was that english?

[Joods]

I don't care too much whether people believe what the Bible says, but I hate it when they make false claims about what it says.

bold mine.
    

Do you even understand how moronic that sounds? If you don't care, why are you wasting your time complaining?

Here's the thing: you can't even prove any of it's true. Logic and reason recognize the bullshit in the bible. Those of us who know this, aren't afraid to put any theist to the test by requiring that they show scientific proof that the God of your precious book is true. Allow me to demonstrate: 

Please provide a detailed list of the false claims you think are being made along with your arguments for why you think those claims are false. Be sure to provide supporting proof (NOT an opinion) of your position as well so that we can discuss both sides.

[Abaddon_ire]

    was that english?

Nope. Somehow, I am supposed to be a jw bashing in somebodies doors. As an atheist, that is amusing. As a JW door bashing recipient, I can claim at least one deconversion. JWs are kinda easy. Christians are more challenging. Those are bonkers.

How I can be cast as a JW is an exercise that I leave for the reader. Since I am a flat out atheist for decades, it is an amusing claim, I have never before been accused of being a JW.

Watch that tower, I suppose. Or whatever.

[Banned]

Here's the thing: you can't even prove any of it's true. Logic and reason recognize the bullshit in the bible. Those of us who know this, aren't afraid to put any theist to the test by requiring that they show scientific proof that the God of your precious book is true. Allow me to demonstrate: 

Please provide a detailed list of the false claims you think are being made along with your arguments for why you think those claims are false. Be sure to provide supporting proof (NOT an opinion) of your position as well so that we can discuss both sides.

You have a brain, you can read English, and you will be judged by the Bible, so what you do with it is left up to you.
It's not anyone's duty to spoon feed minds which cannot be enlightened for the lack of personal effort.

God rewards those who diligently seek him, he will not bend for the irreverent and idly curious. Neither will any signs be given to a perverse generation. Their ignorance has been fostered and cultivated through rebellion.

God is not up for sale or revelation to anyone, except those who are sincere and contrite in heart.He has a way of guiding the individual which is none of anyone's business who hates him.

If you loved God, you would recognize his guidance, because the Spirit lives with you, but those who do not love God cannot know him. Why would a God who made the human mind resort to a Muppet show to convince hearts which hate him?

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Like a work of art that has no artist if the artist can't be seen.

Or a book that has no author, if he or she doesn't show up on demand by those who would like to burn the book.

People are not man-made artifacts, so your analogy as a point, is a failure.  We know when we read a book or look at a painting that these things had a creator, because we already know that human beings create these objects.  Everywhere we turn, we can see evidence that humans write books and paint paintings. There is no evidence OTOH that human beings, or any other forms of life, were designed.  When theists come here thinking they’re arguing for intelligent design, all they’re actually doing is demonstrating their fundamental misunderstanding of the scientific underpinnings that best explain the diversity of life on earth.  You’re going to have to do better than an argument from ignorance or personal incredulity.

The point of the analogy got through alright.

Intelligent design can only be appreciated by people who have allowed the Source of intelligence to bless them.
God is the source of knowledge and wisdom. Knowledge can be used in many ways, not just for good.
In the case of the rebellion in heaven - intelligence was used to subvert the truth about God. Things are no different in this world.

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Existence is not a painting . And we know who paints painting human beings 

Existence is not a book . And we know who writes books human beings 

And neither of these examples work because unlike a writer or a painter . He can reveal himself to the citizens of both .

The analogy says that the universe is the evidence of its Maker.

Some people can tell who the artist of a painting is, even if the signature is missing.
But there are millions who cannot tell who paints what, and their codependent opinion does not change the truth, although, in the case of God and his creation, it certainly removes the truth beyond their ability to ever retrieve it.

Just because denial is easy, doesn't make it appropriate.

[Fake Messiah]

Why would a God who made the human mind resort to a Muppet show to convince hearts which hate him?

Why would god create mind/ hearts that hate him? As if he is incapable, bad designer, not perfect being.

God is the source of knowledge and wisdom.

Not so according to the Bible: "For I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." 1 Corinthians 1:19