Near Death Experience Study Opinions?

[He lives]

The most commonly reported "near death experience" is lost time.  No experience at all.

Precisely what happened with me.  In 1987, I 'coded' for hat I was told was about eight seconds.  No light, no tunnel, not figure robed in white, no floating round the room - none of it.  I remember a feeling of intense pressure and waking up several days later, nothing in between.

Boru

However there are people who were devout atheists like Howard Storm who now know that there is an afterlife.

https://youtu.be/xT0LbPPOqnE

[KevinM1]

Howard Storm? Again? He didn't even come close to death. While waiting to have surgery to fix a duodenal perforation (an ulcer}, he passed out from the pain. He had his 'vision', and then woke up. The surgery was successful, with no hiccups.

It's pretty obvious that his dream was fuelled by fear and stress. That he started believing in god afterward only shows him to have been a shitty skeptic and nothing more.

[Edwardo Piet]

You know someone has no idea what they are talking about when they use phrases such as "scientifically proven".

Proven under scientific conditions.

Exactly what I mean. You don't know what you're talking about.

The way I see it... an 'afterlife' is an incoherent concept, because a continuation of life in another form is not a new life. And a 'near death experience' would mean you nearly died, so didn't die at all. I nearly died once. But apparently nearly dying isn't a near death experience

[The Grand Nudger]

The most commonly reported "near death experience" is lost time.  No experience at all.

Precisely what happened with me.  In 1987, I 'coded' for hat I was told was about eight seconds.  No light, no tunnel, not figure robed in white, no floating round the room - none of it.  I remember a feeling of intense pressure and waking up several days later, nothing in between.

Boru

I didn't get to go to the cosmic USO show in the sky either.  I just woke up later.  It's a shame, really, because I'm certainly not going to beat myself over the head hard enough for a repeat attempt at grasping the golden ticket.....but it would have been cool to have that experience.

[KevinM1]

The best trips I ever had were on ketamine. 10-13 year old me tripping balls in the hospital, experiencing weird, impossible things as vividly as I see my computer monitor now. Hallucinations that were, in every way, complete - sights, sounds, smells, feelings. It convinced me that our brain chemistry is a fragile thing, and that changes to it can have an immense effect. And it's why I will always remain skeptical of any NDE claims.

[Ravenshire]

If this ain't a near death experience, I don't know what is!

If I caught a patient eating that crap, I'd have him arrested.  And I say "him" because I can't picture a woman eating something like that.

(emphasis is mine)

This one might:



This 130-pound female competitive eater can eat 82 chicken wings in 10 minutes

She's not alone, either. The world of "competitive eating," virtually unheard of outside of the occasional county fair pie eating contest thirty years ago, is becoming huge.


High Steaks: The World of Female Competitive Eaters

[Edwardo Piet]

If this ain't a near death experience, I don't know what is!

I would try to eat it all.

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What kind of a person finds such a nasty looking burger appealing enough to want to eat?

Me I guess lol.

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https://youtu.be/Gl7oOFZ1UUA

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https://youtu.be/JL1oDuvQR08

Then aren't you just a bit gullible?

Noooooo.

He's just a LOT gullible

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Then aren't you just a bit gullible?

Are you doubting the Almighty YouTube?

Never doubt the Almighty YouTube. It has after all, for years, been part of the Google company... and as everyone knows: Google is God.

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This bears repeating. I've decided to recuse myself from all further discussions concerning this subject because I've come to the conclusion that none of it is compelling evidence for any sort of afterlife.

Furthermore... even the concept of an "afterlife" is confusing when people talk of not actually dying and continuing life in another form outside their body... that's not an afterlife... that's Life: Part Two.

[He lives]

So you are saying that the brain has the ability to detect post it notes on a monitor while the eyes are closed? Can you do that? Can you go into a room you have never been in before blindfolded and afterwards describe everything in the room just by detecting it with your brain?

Why, then, has such a phenomenon failed to appear every time it has been subjected to scientific testing? 

What kind of surgeon would blindfold their patients?

Are you unaware that you actually spend some time wide awake in the theatre before surgery? Every time I have been I have spent some idle time looking around before the action starts.

So you don't think that the heart surgeon would have thought of that? Perhaps you should interview him yourself.

[Jehanne]

Wikipedia has a good summary of Dr. Parnia's study:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Parnia#Research

In particular (emphasis mine),

AWAreness during REsuscitation (AWARE) study

While at University of Southampton, Parnia was the principal investigator of the AWARE Study, which was launched in 2008.[13] This study which concluded in 2012 included 33 investigators across 15 medical centers in the UK, Austria and the USA and tested consciousness, memories and awareness during cardiac arrest. The accuracy of claims of visual and auditory awareness was examined using specific tests.[20] One such test consisted in installing shelves, bearing a variety of images and facing the ceiling, hence not visible by hospital staff, in rooms where cardiac-arrest patients were more likely to occur.[21] The results of the study were published in October 2014; both the launch and the study results were widely discussed in the media.[21][22][23]

A review article analysing the results reports that, out of 2060 cardiac arrest events, 101 of 140 cardiac arrest survivors could complete the questionnaires. Of these 101 patients 9% could be classified as near death experiences. 2 more patients (2% of those completing the questionnaires) described "seeing and hearing actual events related to the period of cardiac arrest". These two patients' cardiac arrests did not occur in areas equipped with ceiling shelves hence no images could be used to objectively test for visual awareness claims. One of the two patients was too sick and the accuracy of her recount could not be verified. For the second patient instead, it was possible to verify the accuracy of the experience and to show that awareness occurred paradoxically some minutes after the heart stopped, at a time when "the brain ordinarily stops functioning and cortical activity becomes isoelectric." The experience was not compatible with an illusion, imaginary event or hallucination since visual (other than of ceiling shelves' images) and auditory awareness could be corroborated.[24]

Ergo, an "objective test" exists to establish the verdicality of NDEs (hence, the existence of an immaterial soul), and so, in this case, absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

[The Valkyrie]

'Tis bullshit.