The Bible condemns homosexuality.

[Mystic]

It's not like it would mater if it were a choice, as in fully, completely, anytime you want control over sexual orientation.  If I could choose, on a whim, to like men or women..what is supposed to be the evil in making either choice?

What you pose is an important question, but, what I don't understand and realize I only accepted to propaganda, is that there are states we have control over and there are states we don't. This realization has made me feel guilty over my trial of madness which is a far worse evil then disgracing the sexual attraction purpose trust,  in fact, my evil is far worse, but people despite seeing it's harms will make as if it's not of any moral consequence, it has nothing to do with goodness and evil, but I know it does. It's one of the worst states to give into and let start from the start.

There is of course harms in it if free-will has to do with it. And it can be easily proven, if free-will is the ultimate game changer in that,  that one direction is beautiful praiseworthy while it's opposite for the very reasons the former was beautiful and praiseworthy is not.

[Losty]

It's not like it would mater if it were a choice, as in fully, completely, anytime you want control over sexual orientation.  If I could choose, on a whim, to like men or women..what is supposed to be the evil in making either choice?

What you pose is an important question, but, what I don't understand and realize I only accepted to propaganda, is that there are states we have control over and there are states we don't. This realization has made me feel guilty over my trial of madness which is a far worse evil then disgracing the sexual attraction purpose trust,  in fact, my evil is far worse, but people despite seeing it's harms will make as if it's not of any moral consequence, it has nothing to do with goodness and evil, but I know it does. It's one of the worst states to give into and let start from the start.

There is of course harms in it if free-will has to do with it. And it can be easily proven, if free-will is the ultimate game changer in that,  that one direction is beautiful praiseworthy while it's opposite for the very reasons the former was beautiful and praiseworthy is not.

What?

[Mystic]

What you pose is an important question, but, what I don't understand and realize I only accepted to propaganda, is that there are states we have control over and there are states we don't. This realization has made me feel guilty over my trial of madness which is a far worse evil then disgracing the sexual attraction purpose trust,  in fact, my evil is far worse, but people despite seeing it's harms will make as if it's not of any moral consequence, it has nothing to do with goodness and evil, but I know it does. It's one of the worst states to give into and let start from the start.

There is of course harms in it if free-will has to do with it. And it can be easily proven, if free-will is the ultimate game changer in that,  that one direction is beautiful praiseworthy while it's opposite for the very reasons the former was beautiful and praiseworthy is not.

What?

In realizing my free-will role in my own trial of madness and insanity, I changed my outlook on a lot of these issues.  I remember how it felt when I didn't feel responsible, and I know how it feels now, and I know the former was out of ignorance, while the latter is out of knowledge.

[The Grand Nudger]

People commonly misplace guilt.  I doubt you chose to have a health issue.  Nor do I think that you having a health issue is somehow indicative of your "goodness" or "evilness".  

In any case, it doesn't matter..and that's what I expressed in the comment you quoted.  Let's not quibble over whether or not there are things we can choose.  There's no need.  Lets assume (and suspend disbelief, if necessary) and just consider sexual orientation something we can flip at will.  Okay, it's a choice..now, in the fullest sense, but what is it that's supposed to make either choice immoral, or moral?  


Does propaganda make something immoral?  No, ofc not.  What is "disgracing the sexual attraction purpose trust"...................?

[Mystic]

What is "disgracing the sexual attraction purpose trust"...................?

There is a beautiful trust in men and women complimenting each other, and finding a balance in that nature. If free-will has a role, we ought to make sure, we make our state that which brings the most meaningful relationship out of the two, which is obviously between a man and a woman. 

Now if they were both just as good, the right thing to do would be to be Bi and relationships to be of that kind and family units to consist of those relationship.  However, the superiority of man to woman and over all monogamy, and it's beautiful relationship and meaning that comes out of it,  ought to be, that we all push each other towards that, and not just let a free- for all happen, where if someone wakes up in a certain state, does an action while a child, then society convinces him he is this and that, that is far worse, my friend.

[The Grand Nudger]

You've never seen a gay couple that compliments each other, or that "finds a balance" in "that nature"?

Why would the right thing to do..be being bi? That's a real strange twist. I like girls. I'm not huge on the dudes. No skin off their sacks. My not being into them isn't a comment on how "good" they are. I'm sure there are many fine people on both sides.

What superiority of man to woman, andf what sort of beautiful relationship do you think flows from supremacist ideologies? Tell, you what, drop by my place...I'll hold my wifes beer...and you can test this theory of yours out?

[Mystic]

You are being inconsistent though. You acknowledge beauty between man and a woman, and then say the same is true of a man to man or woman to woman relationship, but then say you aren't attracted to men.

It's cognitive dissonance.

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You've never seen a gay couple that compliments each other, or that "finds a balance" in "that nature"?

Why would the right thing to do..be being bi?  That's a real strange twist.  I like girls.  I'm not huge on the dudes.  No skin off their sacks.  My not being into them isn't a comment on how "good" they are.  I'm sure there are many fine people on both sides.

Right now you do so with belief that free-will play little to no role in all this, though. We are arguing from the paradigm that it does.

[The Grand Nudger]

You are being inconsistent though. You acknowledge beauty between man and a woman, and then say the same is true of a man to man or woman to woman relationship, but then say you aren't attracted to men.

I'm being inconsistent...by personally preferring females?  I think that pastel sunsets are be beautiful too...but you won't catch me fucking one.

It's cognitive dissonance.

I don't think that you know what that word means.  I feel absolutely no anxiety about preferring vagine to peen, or in noticing wonderful gay couples and beautiful male bodies. I just don't fuck em.   

Right now you do so with belief that free-will play little to no role in all this, though. We are arguing from the paradigm that it does.

Let's assume it is a choice, completely free.  That you can choose to prefer men or women at will.  Is "disgracing the sexual attraction purpose trust" the only reason you can think of that one choice or another would be good..or evil?

[Mystic]

Yes, and other consequences in society if we neglect the "Mommy" "Daddy" model.

[The Grand Nudger]

You reckon gay couples harm children, or society.... somehow?

Gayness as a threat to civilization?