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The War of 1812!
#51
RE: The War of 1812!
(May 10, 2018 at 10:44 pm)Khemikal Wrote: As far as I;m aware, the british  (and/or canadia)capital isn;t in the wilderness.   Tongue

Sure, we;ve fucked up.  We -all- fuck up.  We were just looking to hit someone in the face, didnlt have to be -the- someone™.  We're a young nation, rgr?

Don;t be a base commie, Min..or I'll pull you murricacard.

As I recall one of the most common slogans of the day was "enthusiasm for the war increased with one's distance from the coast."
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#52
RE: The War of 1812!
It took us awhile to understand that you should have a navy before you start a war.
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#53
RE: The War of 1812!
-but when we did, we had the envy of the world in just a few unsinkable ships.

See, we can get it right, after we;ve tried every other thing first!
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#54
RE: The War of 1812!
Our frigates were better than their frigates....mainly,

but then they had all these First, Second, and Third Rate Ships of the Line....and we had oogatz.

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First Rate.

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Second Rate

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Third Rate


We would have avoided these like the plague.
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#55
RE: The War of 1812!
(May 10, 2018 at 11:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Our frigates were better than their frigates....mainly,

-and not just a little bit...they bitched about it in public...called us cheaters in their own papers...... Wink


Soooo fast..so lethal, get raped britz. Old growth oak and lignum vitae ftw! #cannonproof
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#56
RE: The War of 1812!
Um, you do know that two of them surrendered to the Limeys, right?
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#57
RE: The War of 1812!
I'm aware...Im aware..the weakness of the crew is no comment on the superiority of the equipment.  Ask the iraqis.

Our boats were baller.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#58
RE: The War of 1812!
(May 10, 2018 at 10:59 pm)Khemikal Wrote: -but when we did, we had the envy of the world in just a few unsinkable ships.

See, we can get it right, after we;ve tried every other thing first!

Err, we basically built 6 frigates that were the 1810 equivalent of German pocket battleships of WWII.   They were not unsinkable.  Nor were they really that fast.   But they were faster than anything that were stronger than they were one on one, and were stronger than anything that were faster than they were.

However, the British in 1812 had about 140 full sized, not pocket, ships of the line or battleships (3rd rate or above) that can easily sink, burn or take them in a stand up fight, but can’t catch them in a running battle.

So what did the British do?

Since they had so many battleships, they were happy to take 6, cut them down one deck so they are lighter and faster and can now have a chance of running down the big american frigates.   But what remains in those ships were still battleship guns and solid battleship construction.   So they can still sink, burn or take the american frigates in one on one action.  Those truncated ships of the line were called razee frigates.  These were ready by 1814.

So I think we look at even such naval actions we managed in too rosy a light.   If the war had lasted longer, the British would have tracked down and sunk, burn or taken all of the american navy, including the 4 of the 6 Big frigates that remains.
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#59
RE: The War of 1812!
-but it didnt.  #small miracles.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#60
RE: The War of 1812!
(May 10, 2018 at 10:18 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Only if you want to lay down and let the Limeys walk back in.

If you didn't demand your independence then you wouldn't now have President Trump.

I am sure if you ask Queen Liz nicely she'll accept you all back into the Commonwealth and take charge. It's cheaper having her subvert your illusion of democracy than profit hungry corporations.
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