Those Theists

[brewer]

Continental Freightways, they were a big deal back in the 70's.

[Angrboda]

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[Minimalist]

Faith groups and individuals that deny the full, eternal deity of Jesus Christ or His incarnation whereby He, as God, took on human flesh (becoming fully God and fully man in one person), are considered non-Christians at CF. Posts that deny the full, eternal deity of Jesus Christ or His incarnation are considered non-Christian theology and are not allowed in "Christians Only" forums. Discussions in all "Christians Only" forums must be in alignment with Trinitarian beliefs.

Wow.  What an insecure bunch of xhristard assholes they are!

Is that the one where they give each other "blessings" instead of kudos?

[vulcanlogician]

So I'm gonna repost something I posted on CF, just because I think my humor was lost on them:

It seems everywhere I look these days, the left is constantly wanting new entitlements. When those of us on the right say we can't afford that stuff, we're told that we just need to increase taxes on the wealthy.

"They just need to pay their fair share!" they say, as if the rich aren't paying enough. But that doesn't match up with reality.

In fact, the top 40% of earners in this country pay 106% of the taxes! The bottom 40% pay -9%. Yes, you read that right. NEGATIVE NINE PERCENT!

Those on the top tax bracket paid 69% of all the taxes.

I see what you're saying [OP], it's gotten really bad with taxes. Nobody wants to be rich anymore. Nobody! I have friends who work two jobs and struggle to make ends meet, but they're like "At least we're not billionaires who have to pay all those taxes." I see their point, too. Remember a while back when nobody claimed that winning powerball ticket? That was my friend. I was with her when she found out her ticket had the winning numbers. She immediately set it on fire and told us to never speak of it. Nobody wants to be rich anymore. Too many taxes. Thank God I'm broke.

[Jehanne]

What about specific examples of where you might disagree with a fellow atheist, similar to a theist “doctrine”...is there anything that stands out, any big debate between atheists?

Also, thanks for the warm welcome!

I don't agree with atheists who think that baseball is the greatest sport.

[The Grand Nudger]

“You kind of have to believe in "something" for there to be internal disagreements about that "something". Atheism isn;t about believing in something. See the disconnect?”
—Khemikal

Not really, it seems to me that believing in no god is believing “something”.  

Word fail..but through the prism of your beliefs I can see why -you- might see it that way.  : shrugs : 

IMHO, Science exists to prove the existence of a God, and it does. So I don’t see myself fighting science, I see myself fighting scientists that have a little religion of their own.  I mean, does science really prove, for example, the theory of evolution.  I mean, lots of animals adapt to new situations, but that’s not evolution.  Like the birds on the Galápagos Islands, which is what my science teacher used to try to tell me about evolution.  But where is the actual solid evidence for a creature evolving into a completely new creature.  Because if it’s true that everything started as a single organism or cell, and now there are millions of species and different creatures...seriously!? Sounds crazy to me.

Is this the part where we have to deny all of existence in order to justify our beliefs?  Is there no universe in which you can see the reality of biology as being compatible with your god?  Is that really a problem for biology, or a problem for your god? One would imagine that..if there were a god, it;s existence would be a co-concurrent truth with any other truth. You;re telling me otherwise.

I appreciate that you're a religious person..but that doesn;t mean that everyone who disagrees with your religion is somehow disagreeing because of -their- religion...nor does everyone in your religion agree with you..and many of them -do- disagree due to your shared religion. It;s a pretty tough knot, but that;s for you to work out, not me.

(re "that;s not evolution..well, you got thjat partly right. It;s not that creatures adapt to new situations, it;s that some creatures -are- better adapted to some situations..and because of this they enjoy relative reproductive success..and through this -populations- adapt to those situations. He who has the most kids determines the genetic makeup of the group, and not all groups are reproductively compatible. Further, accepting that a twig can branch at the tip explains a branch at the trunk. Does that sound crazy? More or less crazy...than a wizard?)

And what about “pre-history”...it doesn’t fit.  There is clear evidence of a world wide flood, and many old books speak of a huge flood, not just the Bible.  

Lots of stories say lots of things, I doubt you give them all equal credence.  

My point with all that is this: I can’t find any evidence of many theory’s that scientists and atheist put forth to deny the existence of God.

For example:
-evolution
-the Big Bang
-pre history

So that’s one reason I believe in God, The evidence is all around.

What I see is a fundamentally adversarial stance that massively weakens the position of your faith.  Hinging it;s truth on propositions easily shown to be fatuous. Biology isn;t a religious conspiracy to deny your god..and there was no flood. I;m, not debating this with you..I;m flat out telling you. If you need these things to be true for your religious beliefs to be true, then your religious beliefs are false. I;d suggest, simply, that you don;t need them to be true, even if you currently believe them to be true. Problem solved.

Meanwhile, I was an atheist before I knew about biology, cosmology, or prehistory. So...assuming you had a point in any of the above, there it went, crumbled on account of just one atheist. Not exactly a very strong point, eh?

(if you're looking for specific information regarding evolutionary theory, you should probably make a thread for it, I;ll be there...it;s one of my pet causes on the boards, lol. I play with plants for a living, I can suggest some really easy experiments for you if you want to take biology out of a lab or a book you read and put it into your own hands.)

[Willie23]

Baseball is the best sport...because soccer is a bunch of sissies and football has far too many rules, basketball is too fast, and no other sports can compare. Golf’s too slow, car racing, seriously...

But baseball now, that’s a man’s sport. A real sport for real people.

(Don’t take any of this too seriously)

[The Grand Nudger]

Fuckin baseball.  lol. 

I;d be remiss, btw, if I didn;t meantion this thread..here

https://atheistforums.org/thread-54759.html

Where I could use your help in saving a sinners soul, he;s one of your brethren fallen from grace, contending that the big bang, evolution, and history -prove- your shared god...rather than being things put forth by scientists to discredit it.

[vulcanlogician]

“You kind of have to believe in "something" for there to be internal disagreements about that "something". Atheism isn;t about believing in something. See the disconnect?”
—Khemikal

Not really, it seems to me that believing in no god is believing “something”.  

Is not playing baseball a sport? I don't play any sports (I'm a bookish nerd), so does that mean I play non-baseball? No. I simply don't play baseball. In the same way, agnostics and atheists are nonbelievers--and their nonbelief isn't a belief system in itself. It's a lack of one.

You can take individual atheists and ask them "Are you a materialist?" If they say, "yes" then that (materialism) is a belief that they have. Certain truths necessarily follow from that belief.

Same goes for evolution. Most atheists accept that life evolved to its current form. If someone makes the claim, "Life on earth evolved from simple proto-organisms to its current complex state," the burden of proof is on them to prove it. Evolution is a positive belief. Atheism is not.

Belief in Santa Claus is a positive belief. If you think Santa Claus doesn't exist, that doesn't mean that your non-belief in Santa is, in turn, a belief in something. And you don't have to prove Santa doesn't exist. If a person claims that Santa is real, it's up to them to prove that he does.

[Joods]

I;d be remiss, btw, if I didn;t meantion this thread..here

Why Khem, why???

That assclown needs no more attention. You deserve a spanking. Across the knees, old fashioned style. You've been such a bad, bad boy.