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RE: Group prayer on Skype on behalf of our Christian members
May 21, 2018 at 1:23 pm
(May 21, 2018 at 1:12 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (May 21, 2018 at 12:56 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: If morality comes from evolution, why is morality only a human concept?
It is not. Humans are the only ones to call it by a word which humans can understand.
Actions humans would attribute to morality is easy to identify in most social animals.
Animals do not do not have any concept of right/wrong or good/evil or any system of justice (punishment for immoral behavior) for that matter, if you say they do then provide your source.
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RE: Group prayer on Skype on behalf of our Christian members
May 21, 2018 at 1:25 pm
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My dog understands right and wrong and systems of punishment about as well as most of the believers on the boards. She does what I say to get a reward, and steers clear of what I dislike to avoid punishment. I;ve seen her gripped with shame and quiver in fear..and I;ve also seen her proud and looking to please me. She strikes me as a very christian creature.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Group prayer on Skype on behalf of our Christian members
May 21, 2018 at 1:38 pm
(May 21, 2018 at 1:23 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (May 21, 2018 at 1:12 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: It is not. Humans are the only ones to call it by a word which humans can understand.
Actions humans would attribute to morality is easy to identify in most social animals.
Animals do not do not have any concept of right/wrong or good/evil or any system of justice (punishment for immoral behavior) for that matter, if you say they do then provide your source.
Right or wrong is just grandiose self-indulgent titles our facility for language allowed us to give to assessment of appropriateness of social actions the reflects underlying behavioral mechanism bequeathed by evolution. Reflections of similar underlying behavior mechanisms can be found in the group building behavior of prides of big cats, troops of chimps, pods of dolphins, even groups of farrel house cats.
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RE: Group prayer on Skype on behalf of our Christian members
May 21, 2018 at 1:49 pm
Right, just because we can communicate the concepts more clearly and can reflect on them more abstractly doesn't make us any different. We "care" about each other, on the whole, because it has been beneficial to do so during our evolution. The same applies to many species. To some it doesn't, so they end up solitary or just fight each other.
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RE: Group prayer on Skype on behalf of our Christian members
May 21, 2018 at 2:54 pm
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(May 21, 2018 at 1:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote: My dog understands right and wrong and systems of punishment about as well as most of the believers on the boards. She does what I say to get a reward, and steers clear of what I dislike to avoid punishment. I;ve seen her gripped with shame and quiver in fear..and I;ve also seen her proud and looking to please me. She strikes me as a very christian creature.
That's called conditioning.
(May 21, 2018 at 1:38 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (May 21, 2018 at 1:23 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Animals do not do not have any concept of right/wrong or good/evil or any system of justice (punishment for immoral behavior) for that matter, if you say they do then provide your source.
Right or wrong is just grandiose self-indulgent titles our facility for language allowed us to give to assessment of appropriateness of social actions the reflects underlying behavioral mechanism bequeathed by evolution. Reflections of similar underlying behavior mechanisms can be found in the group building behavior of prides of big cats, troops of chimps, pods of dolphins, even groups of farrel house cats.
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Again, provide your sources.
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RE: Group prayer on Skype on behalf of our Christian members
May 21, 2018 at 3:43 pm
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(May 21, 2018 at 2:54 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (May 21, 2018 at 1:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote: My dog understands right and wrong and systems of punishment about as well as most of the believers on the boards. She does what I say to get a reward, and steers clear of what I dislike to avoid punishment. I;ve seen her gripped with shame and quiver in fear..and I;ve also seen her proud and looking to please me. She strikes me as a very christian creature.
That's called conditioning.
(May 21, 2018 at 1:38 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Right or wrong is just grandiose self-indulgent titles our facility for language allowed us to give to assessment of appropriateness of social actions the reflects underlying behavioral mechanism bequeathed by evolution. Reflections of similar underlying behavior mechanisms can be found in the group building behavior of prides of big cats, troops of chimps, pods of dolphins, even groups of farrel house cats.
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Again, provide your sources.
You do your own fricking research. It is not hard to find once you put down your Bible.
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RE: Group prayer on Skype on behalf of our Christian members
May 21, 2018 at 3:56 pm
(May 21, 2018 at 2:54 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (May 21, 2018 at 1:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote: My dog understands right and wrong and systems of punishment about as well as most of the believers on the boards. She does what I say to get a reward, and steers clear of what I dislike to avoid punishment. I;ve seen her gripped with shame and quiver in fear..and I;ve also seen her proud and looking to please me. She strikes me as a very christian creature.
That's called conditioning.
Oh......is it? 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Group prayer on Skype on behalf of our Christian members
May 21, 2018 at 4:05 pm
(May 21, 2018 at 3:56 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (May 21, 2018 at 2:54 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: That's called conditioning.
Oh......is it?
And your infinite repetition of “developing faith” in your Bible isn’t?
Training yourself as a dog would be trained to posture about how different you are from a dog?
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RE: Group prayer on Skype on behalf of our Christian members
May 21, 2018 at 4:13 pm
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(May 21, 2018 at 12:50 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (May 21, 2018 at 12:08 pm)Hammy Wrote: This sentence doesn't seem to make any sense.
Oh lol. Chris Rock can be pretty damn hilarious. Didn't know that sketch though. Although it looks like it may be from the stand-up of his that I saw. But it was once and many years ago.
(May 21, 2018 at 12:56 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (May 21, 2018 at 11:08 am)Mathilda Wrote: Humans evolved to be altruistic because being seen to give to others meant that people were more willing to give to them (morality comes from evolution). So showing us that you care about the intellectual development of Christians means that we will be more likely to see you as a respected member of our flock.
If morality comes from evolution, why is morality only a human concept?
It isn't. Other primates, for instance, can be moral. To some extent.
A monitor lizard... definitely isn't a moral agent, on the other hand. As the mothers often eat their own babies if their babies don't escape quick enough after hatching. I'm pretty sure morality is a mammalian thing. Birds can be pretty cruel to their baby chicks as well. Force feeding the fittest ones and leaving the weaker chicks to die, for instance. Empathy seems to be a mammalian thing. At the very least. Perhaps it's a primate thing. Cats seem pretty psychopathic. Dogs seem to be closer to us, as they are more social animals. Pigs are pretty sensitive creatures, I think. Elephants certainly are. But when it comes to actual morality and empathy perhaps it's a primate thing. Although ours is a lot more advanced. But we also have more immorality in some other ways: Many animals are violent to each other but we're perhaps the only animal that truly seeks revenge. We're both more angelic and more devilish. More sinful and more saintly. Metaphorically speaking of course.
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RE: Group prayer on Skype on behalf of our Christian members
May 21, 2018 at 5:23 pm
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(May 21, 2018 at 12:56 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: If morality comes from evolution, why is morality only a human concept?
We don't know that it is.
(May 21, 2018 at 1:23 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (May 21, 2018 at 1:12 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: It is not. Humans are the only ones to call it by a word which humans can understand.
Actions humans would attribute to morality is easy to identify in most social animals.
Animals do not do not have any concept of right/wrong or good/evil or any system of justice (punishment for immoral behavior) for that matter, if you say they do then provide your source.
(May 21, 2018 at 2:54 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (May 21, 2018 at 1:25 pm)Khemikal Wrote: My dog understands right and wrong and systems of punishment about as well as most of the believers on the boards. She does what I say to get a reward, and steers clear of what I dislike to avoid punishment. I;ve seen her gripped with shame and quiver in fear..and I;ve also seen her proud and looking to please me. She strikes me as a very christian creature.
That's called conditioning.
You could say the same for a child.
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