assisted suicide vs suicide prevention

[Mystic]

But would you intervene to try to stop them?

In which instance, mental or physical? I can't really give an intelligent response with no context. I don't think anyone could.

There is a huge problem when you are going to particular and particular, and go by a very particular type basis, with no clear grounding rules.

[brewer]

In which instance, mental or physical? I can't really give an intelligent response with no context. I don't think anyone could.

There is a huge problem when you are going to particular and particular, and go by a very particular type basis, with no clear grounding rules.

Ya lost me. Are you trying to say each case might be different based on conditions and circumstance?

[Mystic]

You will be getting inconsistency based on subjective views and that will cause not only hatred but it is putting doctors in a very tough spot that none of us should put themselves in neither put a doctor in such a tough situation where as he may study what it means to be human and the illness his whole life but still not be sure what to do.

[Minimalist]

Why because it put's some responsibility to mental illness?

No, because it is made up shit that some people allow to ruin their lives.

[Mystic]

Why because it put's some responsibility to mental illness?

No, because it is made up shit that some people allow to ruin their lives.

Didn't ruin mine, helped me a lot, abandoning it however almost caused me to perish both in this world and next.

[brewer]

You will be getting inconsistency based on subjective views and that will cause not only hatred but it is putting doctors in a very tough spot that none of us should put themselves in neither put a doctor in such a tough situation where as he may study what it means to be human and the illness his whole life but still not be sure what to do.

Doctors should never have been dragged into this position (or legal execution injections), it's not necessary. Taking a pill or injection is not the only humane solution. 

I don't understand much of anything else that you said. The more details I can get for each case the less inconsistent I will be.

[Mystic]

It's not about you being inconsistent. It's that if you don't lay out a clear framework without ambiguity, then a lot of division and hatred will occur regarding this, because different people will apply it different. And not to mention lost lives that could be saved.

[The Industrial Atheist]

If it's because someone is depressed, I would say try treatment. However, there was somewhere I think, not long ago, where a guy choose assisted suicide because he had incurable alcoholism and depression. In other words he was in such misery, and his health was suffering so much, that it was deemed terminal.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-dutch-...depression
In the Netherlands, I know, this is a thing. But lets not strawman people by saying this is the opinion of all Atheists or Progressives. Myself I do see some merit to it in some cases. I'm still leaning towards no, but if we could be sure that cases are incurable it could budge me closer to the direction of yes.


I don't want to be like a Theist who would keep someone alive who has irreversible brain damage, but if depression is anything like my hallucinations, which I found effective treatment for after 20 years of not being helped at all, I wouldn't want someone to give up. I really don't know as my depression has always been mild and not that persistent.


Yes theoretically we all should be able to do what we want with our own bodies, including end our own lives. But it seems to me in many cases this would cause too much unjustified harm.

[Brian37]

I don't care whether they make it legal or not.

What is important to me is religious people keep the stigma and shame alive.

Without that, it will go out of control.

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You needed assistance to get better, glad you found it. 

I don't think that stigma and shame enter the equation for most that make the attempt.

I had a plan. Simple. Just take all the meds in the bottle with grapefruit, and that would do it.

I never pulled it off because of the stigma. I know a lot of people who the idea won't cross their mind seriously and it's due to the stigma.

The stigma is good. It got us here where as in the past, there was no meds.

NO IT IS NOT!

FUCKING STOP!

I've been suicidal too, and nobody shamed me, my mother sure as hell wouldn't have. I AM STILL ALIVE. And FYI I have never been on meds either. 

The idea of bringing shame on the family is BULLSHIT, when it comes to mental illness, and even when it comes to females and gender roles. That bullshit is from antiquity, and has no barring on our modern understanding of evolution, biology and the human brain. 

My sisters have anxiety and depression too. If you even dare tell me I should be ashamed of that, that is bullshit nonsense. THANK YOU once again, for not only insulting me, but my sisters as well.

[Catholic_Lady]

But would you intervene to try to stop them?

In which instance, mental or physical? I can't really give an intelligent response with no context. I don't think anyone could.

Mental