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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
August 23, 2018 at 12:10 pm
How am I meant to love something knowing that it will do bad things to me if I don't? It sounds like being in a broken down mental state, like stockholme syndrome.
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
August 23, 2018 at 1:17 pm
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"I love you, why do you make me do this to you!" whack whack whack. 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
August 23, 2018 at 3:45 pm
(August 23, 2018 at 1:17 pm)Khemikal Wrote: "I love you, why do you make me do this to you!" whack whack whack.
BDSM is a thing! And what you're saying here is what every abusive person ever says to the abused.
If you get to thinking you’re a person of some influence, try ordering somebody else’s dog around.
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
August 23, 2018 at 4:57 pm
(August 23, 2018 at 12:10 pm)robvalue Wrote: How am I meant to love something knowing that it will do bad things to me if I don't? It sounds like being in a broken down mental state, like stockholme syndrome.
How are you meant to love something that you have been ordered to?
Unless that is, you're in a BDSM relationship.
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
August 24, 2018 at 1:24 am
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(August 22, 2018 at 8:24 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (August 22, 2018 at 7:09 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Are we just going to play dumb now? The fact that Jeffrey Dahmer killed and ate people would be in direct violation of the whole "love thy neighbor" bit now wouldn't it?
But Jeffrey Dahmer did love his neighbor! The only person being dumb here is you, Huggy. I asked you where your morals come from and you quote me what you think are moral truths. That doesn't answer the question of where these morals came from. It only tells me that you think those commands are moral. I presume that you think morals such as "love thy neighbor" come from God. Which gets us back to the original question. Where did God get his morals from? If he didn't get them from anywhere but himself, then they are just arbitrary, they are simply whatever he happened to believe for no particular reason whatsoever, he just pulled them out of his ass. If that's the case, then his morals are no better than ones that I make up on my own out of thin air. If there is no foundation for his morals, then they are no more right than anybody else's ideas on morals.
So I'll ask you again, if you get your morals from God, where did he get his morals from?
Still playing dumb I see..
God is omniscient, which by definition means his decisions are always perfect, they cannot be improved upon.
God is love, and love encompasses everything that is right and good, therefore 'love' is inherently moral.
Where there is no love, then there is need for law, for love does not need to be told how to behave.
If you love your spouse, you do not have to be told "thou shalt not commit adultery", because if you truly loved your spouse you would have no desire to have an affair.
Love is selfless: " Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
If love is selfless then it's behavior in a moral sense is always objective.
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
August 24, 2018 at 3:08 am
(August 24, 2018 at 1:24 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Still playing dumb I see..
Not so dumb as thinking reality can be defined in a nebulous and meaningless ways. Such as ...
(August 24, 2018 at 1:24 am)Huggy74 Wrote: God is love, and love encompasses everything that is right and good, therefore 'love' is inherently moral.
What does this mean? What is love if not an emergent phenomenon of the human brain? What's it made out of? How does it work? What powers it? Is this the same kind of love that can be commanded at will?
You clearly don't know what love is.
You're just talking meaningless shite. Anyone can do this. It doesn't make it correct. The whole point of communication is to convey meaning. You have failed at something inherent to be a human being. That is, being able to communicate.
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
August 24, 2018 at 3:10 am
(August 24, 2018 at 1:24 am)Huggy74 Wrote: God is love, and love encompasses everything that is right and good, therefore 'love' is inherently moral.
LOL! If you think that God is love then you obviously never read the Bible.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
August 24, 2018 at 3:17 am
God is love, so we must:
Love God
Love love
God love
God God
God our neighbour
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
August 24, 2018 at 3:21 am
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(August 24, 2018 at 3:10 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (August 24, 2018 at 1:24 am)Huggy74 Wrote: God is love, and love encompasses everything that is right and good, therefore 'love' is inherently moral.
LOL! If you think that God is love then you obviously never read the Bible.
LOL, it appears you obviously didn't understand my post.
(August 24, 2018 at 3:17 am)robvalue Wrote: God is love, so we must:
Love God
Love love
God love
God God
God our neighbour
I know those precepts are foreign to people who don't even have love for themselves...
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RE: In UK atheists considred more moral than theists.
August 24, 2018 at 3:32 am
(August 24, 2018 at 3:21 am)Huggy74 Wrote: (August 24, 2018 at 3:10 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: LOL! If you think that God is love then you obviously never read the Bible.
LOL, it appears you obviously didn't understand my post.
Aha, OK: God is not love - that makes sense.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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