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Another day another mass shooting in America
#21
RE: Another day another mass shooting in America
(August 26, 2018 at 10:42 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(August 26, 2018 at 8:54 pm)fromdownunder Wrote: As far as the USA goes, there seems to be enough people, and a big enough lobby group, who accept the cost benefit analysis that mass shootings are a price that they are willing to pay for the right to own pretty but lethal toys.

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The benefit is that it's a wedge issue.  There is no cost to the people who make the calculations.

It's also a form of identity politics.
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
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#22
RE: Another day another mass shooting in America
(August 26, 2018 at 10:39 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:
(August 26, 2018 at 3:32 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Thank you NRA leadership, for once again, protecting the corporations instead of making public safety your priority.

If sell more worked, we'd be the safest nation on the planet.

We have the third lowest murder rate in the Americas. Behind Chile and Canada, both countries have fairly lax gun laws as well compared to many places.

Most of the "Americas" except for Canada are what the Orange Shitgibbon calls "Shitholes."  I supposed if you are happy to compare us to other shitholes that's fine.  We can stop pretending to be civilized and modern first world states now so that the gun nuts can be happy while they hold their guns and jerk off.
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#23
RE: Another day another mass shooting in America
(August 26, 2018 at 10:49 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:
(August 26, 2018 at 10:42 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The benefit is that it's a wedge issue.  There is no cost to the people who make the calculations.

It's also a form of identity politics.

To clarify, the staunch 'patriots' who fight tooth and nail against any form of gun control - the religiously NRA donating wannabe weekend warrior LARP brigade who view Ted Nugent as a personal hero - have firearm ownership as a pillar of their underlying sense of self.  It's not just a hobby, it's not just for personal protection, it's a lifestyle.  That's why the response to gun control is so visceral.  They view it as a threat to their very being.  And, as we've repeatedly seen, it's trivially easy to manipulate those people.
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
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#24
RE: Another day another mass shooting in America
Pretty much, and they're gonna ruin it for those of us who aren't nra marks, weekend warriors, or ted nugent fans..who also consider it part of our identity and lifestlye and for that very reason accept that effective gun control is a necessity if this identity is going to persist beyond the current generation.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#25
RE: Another day another mass shooting in America
(August 27, 2018 at 12:10 am)KevinM1 Wrote:
(August 26, 2018 at 10:49 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: It's also a form of identity politics.

To clarify, the staunch 'patriots' who fight tooth and nail against any form of gun control - the religiously NRA donating wannabe weekend warrior LARP brigade who view Ted Nugent as a personal hero - have firearm ownership as a pillar of their underlying sense of self.  It's not just a hobby, it's not just for personal protection, it's a lifestyle.  That's why the response to gun control is so visceral.  They view it as a threat to their very being.  And, as we've repeatedly seen, it's trivially easy to manipulate those people.

My cousins are living for the day when they will be of some value. This will involve them being The Good Guy With A Gun (TGGWAG) that saves a whole elementary school full of children from some deranged Obama voter.
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#26
RE: Another day another mass shooting in America
(August 26, 2018 at 10:49 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:
(August 26, 2018 at 10:42 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The benefit is that it's a wedge issue.  There is no cost to the people who make the calculations.

It's also a form of identity politics.

Yes, and the real "identity" is the color GREEN.

The more the corporations who make firearms sell fear, use class and race and divide cops from blacks, and even tea party right who fear government, the more violence that happens the more weapons they sell.

It is the old Daffy Duck cartoon, where he sells booby traps to both the beagle and Foghorn, and says to both "You better watch out for the other guy."
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#27
RE: Another day another mass shooting in America
(August 29, 2018 at 1:37 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(August 27, 2018 at 12:10 am)KevinM1 Wrote: To clarify, the staunch 'patriots' who fight tooth and nail against any form of gun control - the religiously NRA donating wannabe weekend warrior LARP brigade who view Ted Nugent as a personal hero - have firearm ownership as a pillar of their underlying sense of self.  It's not just a hobby, it's not just for personal protection, it's a lifestyle.  That's why the response to gun control is so visceral.  They view it as a threat to their very being.  And, as we've repeatedly seen, it's trivially easy to manipulate those people.

My cousins are living for the day when they will be of some value. This will involve them being The Good Guy With A Gun (TGGWAG) that saves a whole elementary school full of children from some deranged Obama voter.

For a lot (too many) of people, Red Dawn wasn't just a shitty and highly improbable 1980s flick, but a training guide. That all that's stopping the US from being taken over by fascism is a Wolverine. The irony is, of course, lost on them.
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
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#28
RE: Another day another mass shooting in America
(August 29, 2018 at 1:42 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:
(August 29, 2018 at 1:37 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: My cousins are living for the day when they will be of some value. This will involve them being The Good Guy With A Gun (TGGWAG) that saves a whole elementary school full of children from some deranged Obama voter.

For a lot (too many) of people, Red Dawn wasn't just a shitty and highly improbable 1980s flick, but a training guide.  That all that's stopping the US from being taken over by fascism is a Wolverine.  The irony is, of course, lost on them.

Spetsnaz gave a "visiting forces" demonstration for us once. I figured they were at least as good as the Green Berets. This means the Wolverines would have lasted about ten minutes, including a nine minute "suit up" time.
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#29
RE: Another day another mass shooting in America
The middle east begs to differ, lol.  Wink
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#30
RE: Another day another mass shooting in America
(August 29, 2018 at 1:50 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The middle east begs to differ, lol.  Wink
Amerikan sportz collectiv in Middle Eazt?
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