3 simple points to end the discussion with any Sunni/Shiite

[The Grand Nudger]

God didn't write magic book. It's a speech from one group of men to another, itself made up of many texts that are just as trustworthy as any hadith.

Which is to say..not very trustworthy. Or so you say.

[Jehanne]

Mohamed with an epileptic child rapist with delusions of grandeur.

[Bob Kelso]

No comment on the Islamic dictatorship I see. Shame, new to the subject and looking to cut my teeth.

[WinterHold]

God didn't write magic book.  It's a speech from one group of men to another, itself made up of many texts that are just as trustworthy as any hadith.

Which is to say..not very trustworthy.  Or so you say.

You need an evidence for that.

Actually, you proved not to be so trustworthy concerning evidence, I mean look here:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-53995-p...pid1732130

April 6, 2018 at 11:57 pm

But they are the problem; and their way is the problem.
The books written and advocated by both sects, is where you will find "slavery topics"; "apostates' execution topics" and so on.

You'll find all of that in magic book as well.  At some point you're going to have to let magic book be what it is and decide whether or not you have an issue with that.  At some point you have to stop blaming sunni and shia for the faults of magic book.

Killing apostates doesn't exist. Taking slaves doesn't exist.
You failed to prove that taking slaves exist. Bring a verse about executing people for leaving Islam; as an evidence for your accusation. Or else: they become 2 loose claims.

I don't think you are in a position to criticize since you were caught earlier of saying stuff that don't even exist.

[Jehanne]

Mohammad displayed all the symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy (as did Paul); I do not know how anyone in the modern era can take Islam seriously, when its founder was so clearly messed-up in the head.  If Charles Manson had been born in the 7th century, he would have been "the Prophet".

[The Grand Nudger]

God didn't write magic book.  It's a speech from one group of men to another, itself made up of many texts that are just as trustworthy as any hadith.

Which is to say..not very trustworthy.  Or so you say.

You need an evidence for that.

Do I, though...really?  

Actually, you proved not to be so trustworthy concerning evidence, I mean look here:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-53995-p...pid1732130

April 6, 2018 at 11:57 pm

Killing apostates doesn't exist. Taking slaves doesn't exist.
You failed to prove that taking slaves exist. Bring a verse about executing people for leaving Islam; as an evidence for your accusation. Or else: they become 2 loose claims.

I don't think you are in a position to criticize since you were caught earlier of saying stuff that don't even exist.

LOL.......I've turned you into a common huggster!  

I'm sorry that you cant handle basic facts about your favorite magic book, but that's not my fault from any angle, now is it?

[WinterHold]

Mohammad displayed all the symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy (as did Paul); I do not know how anyone in the modern era can take Islam seriously, when its founder was so clearly messed-up in the head.  If Charles Manson had been born in the 7th century, he would have been "the Prophet".

? when did eplipsy turn into "crazy" or -using your words-: "a mess up in the head"?
Aside from the ignorant remark; I take it to be a very strange desperate accusation.

Ancients knew epilepsy and civilizations like Greece even provided ways to control it:

https://www.medicaldaily.com/brain-activ...ow-doctors

Long before anticonvulsant drugs were made available in the 1950s, epileptics would linit their diet as a way to control seizures. Ancient Greeks noticed that periods of fasting would cause seizures to become more infrequent and less severe, while the Bible mentions fasting as an effective treatment. In the early 1900s, many epileptic patients resorted to the so-called ketogenic diet, which is high in fat and low in carbohydrates, because it was thought to mimic the physiological effects of fasting. Scientists have confirmed that these dietary restrictions somehow trigger biochemical changes that short circuit parts of the brain causing the seizures. But the mechanism underlying this therapeutic effect has remained a mystery.

So it's so sad for me to see a people who still use the "Mohammed was an epileptic" broken record in discussions. Admit that you have nothing to say against my argument and shut up, but the accusation -after being so hilarious- are turning into a very sad syndrome that you suffer from.

Epilepsy =/= messed up in the head, you're the only one messed up in the head here.

[Jehanne]

Mohammad displayed all the symptoms of temporal lobe epilepsy (as did Paul); I do not know how anyone in the modern era can take Islam seriously, when its founder was so clearly messed-up in the head.  If Charles Manson had been born in the 7th century, he would have been "the Prophet".

? when did eplipsy turn into "crazy" or -using your words-: "a mess up in the head"?
Aside from the ignorant remark; I take it to be a very strange desperate accusation.

Ancients knew epilepsy and civilizations like Greece even provided ways to control it:

https://www.medicaldaily.com/brain-activ...ow-doctors

Long before anticonvulsant drugs were made available in the 1950s, epileptics would linit their diet as a way to control seizures. Ancient Greeks noticed that periods of fasting would cause seizures to become more infrequent and less severe, while the Bible mentions fasting as an effective treatment. In the early 1900s, many epileptic patients resorted to the so-called ketogenic diet, which is high in fat and low in carbohydrates, because it was thought to mimic the physiological effects of fasting. Scientists have confirmed that these dietary restrictions somehow trigger biochemical changes that short circuit parts of the brain causing the seizures. But the mechanism underlying this therapeutic effect has remained a mystery.

So it's so sad for me to see a people who still use the "Mohammed was an epileptic" broken record in discussions. Admit that you have nothing to say against my argument and shut up, but the accusation -after being so hilarious- are turning into a very sad syndrome that you suffer from.

Epilepsy =/= messed up in the head, you're the only one messed up in the head here.

This is, of course, the problem with Internet message boards; context is often lost.  If you would have read my earlier posts in this thread, you would have read the following:

Mohamed with an epileptic child rapist with delusions of grandeur.

That is what I was referring to with respect to "messed up in the head".

I am not going to get into a discussion with you over the treatment of epilepsy in the ancient World; as always, good information can be found here:

The ancient Greeks had contradictory views of the disease. They thought of epilepsy as a form of spiritual possession, but also associated the condition with genius and the divine. One of the names they gave to it was the sacred disease (ἠ ἱερὰ νόσος).[22][137] Epilepsy appears within Greek mythology: it is associated with the Moon goddesses Selene and Artemis, who afflicted those who upset them. The Greeks thought that important figures such as Julius Caesar and Hercules had the disease.[22] The notable exception to this divine and spiritual view was that of the school of Hippocrates. In the fifth century BC, Hippocrates rejected the idea that the disease was caused by spirits. In his landmark work On the Sacred Disease, he proposed that epilepsy was not divine in origin and instead was a medically treatable problem originating in the brain.[22][134] He accused those of attributing a sacred cause to the disease of spreading ignorance through a belief in superstitious magic.[22] Hippocrates proposed that heredity was important as a cause, described worse outcomes if the disease presents at an early age, and made note of the physical characteristics as well as the social shame associated with it.[22] Instead of referring to it as the sacred disease, he used the term great disease, giving rise to the modern term grand mal, used for tonic–clonic seizures.[22] Despite his work detailing the physical origins of the disease, his view was not accepted at the time.[134] Evil spirits continued to be blamed until at least the 17th century.[134]

Wikipedia -- Epilepsy: History

[Minimalist]

"all the magic books say......"

All magic books are coupled with magical leaders, and manifest the magical leaders that can guide us magically yes.

You're too old to still believe in "magic."

[Ravenshire]

All magic books are coupled with magical leaders, and manifest the magical leaders that can guide us magically yes.

You're too old to still believe in "magic."

Apparently not...