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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
September 28, 2018 at 4:40 pm
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Is this Christian doctrine torture apologetics then?
By the by, I often go way over the top for comic effect and deliberately phrase things to make religion look even worse. I'm just having fun  No need to take it all so seriously.
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
September 28, 2018 at 4:47 pm
Also fear. I thought I lost it, but for my wife and daughter. Yeah, I do experience fear. For all those fucks that speak for the imagined gods. I do. It is the sole reason I am an atheist. It is hard to learn mathematics, but its so easy a degree on... theology... You just have to be good at making shit up.
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
September 28, 2018 at 4:49 pm
(September 28, 2018 at 4:47 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Also fear. I thought I lost it, but for my wife and daughter. Yeah, I do experience fear. For all those fucks that speak for the imagined gods. I do. It is the sole reason I am an atheist. It is hard to learn mathematics, but its so easy a degree on... theology... You just have to be good at making shit up.
You apparently have no clue about theology.
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
September 28, 2018 at 4:51 pm
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I feel confident that any reasonable judge of my life would be happy with what I have done. It would look at my actions towards the fragile life forms on this planet, not my attempts to worship things so powerful that they could never possibly need anything from me.
If instead the judge is a sadistic egomaniac, then too bad I guess. No accounting for lunatics. I can't please every potential superbeing with their arbitrary whims.
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
September 28, 2018 at 4:57 pm
(September 28, 2018 at 4:51 pm)robvalue Wrote: I feel confident that any reasonable judge of my life would be happy with what I have done. It would look at my actions towards the fragile life forms on this planet, not my attempts to worship things so powerful that they could never possibly need anything from me.
If instead the judge is a sadistic egomaniac, then too bad I guess. No accounting for lunatics. I can't please every potential superbeing with their arbitrary whims. Are we suppose to take you serious here.... because I would still say that you need to learn what you are attempting to talk about.
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
September 28, 2018 at 5:02 pm
(September 28, 2018 at 11:56 am)SteveII Wrote: (September 28, 2018 at 11:29 am)polymath257 Wrote: No, that was NOT my problem. In fact, if you are talking all properties of a person, it is very far from being obvious that there is a meaning for 'more or less' even for specific properties.
And the fact that I can imagine a thousand terms is *precisely* why you need to be more specific about *which* ones are being used to demonstrate the existence of a deity. Without more specifics, I cannot know why God cannot fear, or admire. Both bravery and respect seem to be very good qualities. So if God is maximally good, He should have both. The fact that this causes *you* problems is part of my claim that your whole argument is flawed.
Umm, bravery and respect are not possible for God to have. Possible was the very first concept brought up on this topic. There, imagined problem solved. Your entire last paragraph is about epistemology again and not ontology. We don't need to know what mix of properties is greater. You have failed over and over to even come close to illustrating your contention that is is not possible to a have a maximally great being. You only bring up confusion as to how would we know: epistemology--which is not a concern at all.
According to the Bible, Jesus experienced fear, you dolt.
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
September 28, 2018 at 5:33 pm
While it may be useful in some circumstances; I never realized that atheists held fear in such high regard. I’ve never looked at an overly fearful person and thought to myself, if i could only be more like that.
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
September 28, 2018 at 5:40 pm
(September 28, 2018 at 5:33 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: While it may be useful in some circumstances; I never realized that atheists held fear in such high regard. I’ve never looked at an overly fearful person and thought to myself, if i could only be more like that.
Bravery is what is being argued as a virtue, not fear.
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
September 28, 2018 at 5:42 pm
(September 28, 2018 at 5:40 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (September 28, 2018 at 5:33 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: While it may be useful in some circumstances; I never realized that atheists held fear in such high regard. I’ve never looked at an overly fearful person and thought to myself, if i could only be more like that.
Bravery is what is being argued as a virtue, not fear. Grand use small words Roads not quite on your level
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.
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RE: On Hell and Forgiveness
September 28, 2018 at 5:44 pm
(September 28, 2018 at 5:40 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (September 28, 2018 at 5:33 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: While it may be useful in some circumstances; I never realized that atheists held fear in such high regard. I’ve never looked at an overly fearful person and thought to myself, if i could only be more like that.
Bravery is what is being argued as a virtue, not fear.
Ok, you can have fear and still be brave.
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