The 1st premise or 2nd premise can both be disputed. I will defend the 2nd premise, if it's disputed, that if it's disputed we are not an illusion. But it seems we are still on the first one.
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My proofs for Islam
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None of the premises need to be disputed, because the conclusion is a non sequitur.
Assuming the truth of every bit of it won't lead to the desired conclusion. This is basic shit.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (November 17, 2018 at 8:54 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: None of the premises need to be disputed, because the conclusion is a non sequitur. The argument is valid, the conclusion will follow from those two premises, and it's not non sequitur. RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 8:59 pm
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2018 at 9:00 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
-and there's your evidence that we are indeed illusory, and not seen as we are. You imagine yourself to be launching a valid argument, you imagine yourself to be the kind of person capable in the first place.
This doesn't appear to be the case. "If things were the way they are, that would be bad..therefore they're not".
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(November 17, 2018 at 8:59 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: -and there's your evidence that we are indeed illusory, and not seen as we are. You imagine yourself to be launching a valid argument, you imagine yourself to be the kind of person capable in the first place. The 2nd premise is we aren't an illusion. The conclusions follows from premise 1 and 2. RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 9:03 pm
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2018 at 9:03 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
-and yet your very interaction here demonstrates that something you contend to be true about yourself is, indeed, illusory.
Not that it would matter, since neither state of affairs leads to moongods.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
not A -> B.
Not B. Therefore A. Is a valid argument. RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 9:10 pm
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2018 at 9:11 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
LOL, oh, I see, you're arguing the alphabet. Well good for you? Christ what a nutter. The answer is C.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Not A (God doesn't exist or doesn't see us exactly as we are) -> B (we are an illusion)
Not B (We aren't an illusion). Therefore A (God exists and sees us exactly as we are)
I already know that explaining necessary and sufficient condition to you is a waste of time.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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