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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 3:25 pm
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Your preferences, unfortunately, don't have the power to compel the cosmos into any state of affairs x or y. Human beings may indeed have real value™, but this no more leads to moongods than anything else you've presented.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 3:39 pm
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(November 17, 2018 at 2:51 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: If God doesn't exist or see us exactly as we are, we are an illusion.
We aren't an illusion.
Therefore God exists and sees us exactly as we are.
You have failed consistently at providing any valid reason to think that these ideas are related to each other.
(November 17, 2018 at 3:13 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: That we would be an illusion,
Says who, and why?
He’s gone to ask the Quran what he should do next.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 3:49 pm
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Common pattern. At any point disengagement is preferable to openly and rationally questioning the tenets of the cult which has captured him. He'll avoid these discussions...because his beliefs are very literally the manifestation of his need to avoid these discussions.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 4:01 pm
Classic MK wet dump post.
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming" -The Prophet Boiardi-
Conservative trigger warning.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 4:06 pm
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Meh, he'll memory hole the whole bit within 24 hours and be back saying the exact same shit, claiming he'd previously proven this that or the other article of absurdia and wishthinking.
That's my "prophecy", anyway...and if prophecy is indicative...maybe he should start taking his god advice from me?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 5:25 pm
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(November 17, 2018 at 3:39 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(November 17, 2018 at 3:13 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: That we would be an illusion,
Says who, and why?
If it was not a perfect judge judging us, it would be an imperfect judge. Now imperfect judge doesn't define our psychological traits or spiritual traits, and hence we are undefined through that. It leaves our reality to be illusionary or falsely measured. If we are undefined through that, there is no really estimating who we are, because we are undefined. It's just chasing something not there.
On the other hand, if a perfect judge defines us, we can estimate who we are, because we know we exist somewhere and we can get closer to that absolute vision by guidance, and hence we can better know and appreciate ourselves if we follow god's guidance.
Again, no perfect judge would leave our psychological reality of who we are undefined and unknown and non-existent. It would not be fair to say if we didn't have an exact reality, that we can actually estimate ourselves. Rather, we can't and would be chasing an illusion by that.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 5:34 pm
(November 17, 2018 at 5:25 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: If it was not a perfect judge judging us, it would be an imperfect judge. Now imperfect judge doesn't define our psychological traits or spiritual traits, and hence we are undefined through that. It leaves our reality to be illusionary or falsely measured. If we are undefined through that, there is no really estimating who we are, because we are undefined. It's just chasing something not there. ...and?
(also, nailed it, lol.....)
Quote:On the other hand, if a perfect judge defines us, we can estimate who we are, because we know we exist somewhere and we can get closer to that absolute vision by guidance, and hence we can better know and appreciate ourselves if we follow god's guidance.
Again, no perfect judge would leave our psychological reality of who we are undefined and unknown and non-existent. It would not be fair to say if we didn't have an exact reality, that we can actually estimate ourselves. Rather, we can't and would be chasing an illusion by that.
"Gee, I really think it would be swell if...."
-too bad.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 5:48 pm
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(November 17, 2018 at 5:25 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (November 17, 2018 at 3:39 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
Says who, and why?
If it was not a perfect judge judging us, it would be an imperfect judge.
Sure, so possibilities include: perfect judge, imperfect judge, or no judge at all. How did you rule out the latter two?
Quote:Now imperfect judge doesn't define our psychological traits or spiritual traits, and hence we are undefined through that.
This sentence seems to be a non-sequitur. What does someone judging us have to do with the nature of human psychological traits?
Quote:It leaves our reality to be illusionary or falsely measured.
What does?
Quote: If we are undefined through that, there is no really estimating who we are, because we are undefined. It's just chasing something not there.
Sure. See my first sentence in this reply. “No judge” is one of three possibilities being discussed here. I ask again, how have you ruled it out?
Quote:On the other hand, if a perfect judge defines us, we can estimate who we are, because we know we exist somewhere and we can get closer to that absolute vision by guidance, and hence we can better know and appreciate ourselves if we follow god's guidance
Yes, possibility number two. Do you have evidence that would lead you to the conclusion that such a judge exists?
Quote:Again, no perfect judge would leave our psychological reality of who we are undefined and unknown and non-existent.
I agree, it probably wouldn’t. Why do you think such a hypothetical advances your argument?
Quote:It would not be fair to say if we didn't have an exact reality, that we can actually estimate ourselves. Rather, we can't and would be chasing an illusion by that.
And for a third time, how have you ruled this possible scenario out? That you don’t like the idea of is neither a reason, nor evidence.
MK, the heart of your argument seems to be, “the thought of no objective meaning horrifies me.” Bluntly, that’s not an argument.
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 6:09 pm
It's not even a cogent thought. Our lives may or may not have objective meaning..the only kind of meaning they lack in the absence of the moongod is moongod-meaning.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: My proofs for Islam
November 17, 2018 at 6:13 pm
(November 17, 2018 at 5:25 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (November 17, 2018 at 3:39 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
Says who, and why?
If it was not a perfect judge judging us, it would be an imperfect judge. Now imperfect judge doesn't define our psychological traits or spiritual traits, and hence we are undefined through that. It leaves our reality to be illusionary or falsely measured. If we are undefined through that, there is no really estimating who we are, because we are undefined. It's just chasing something not there.
On the other hand, if a perfect judge defines us, we can estimate who we are, because we know we exist somewhere and we can get closer to that absolute vision by guidance, and hence we can better know and appreciate ourselves if we follow god's guidance.
Again, no perfect judge would leave our psychological reality of who we are undefined and unknown and non-existent. It would not be fair to say if we didn't have an exact reality, that we can actually estimate ourselves. Rather, we can't and would be chasing an illusion by that.
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