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RE: I love AOC part 2
February 16, 2019 at 12:35 am
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(February 15, 2019 at 1:34 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Quote:They buy stuff from China or India, who pollute on their behalf.
Yeah, the rich countries get cleaner environment on the backs of the poor countries forced to pollute their environment. Except, how it is then that the percentage of people who die of pollution worldwide has been decreasing in the last 50 years, rather than increasing?
http://www.moralcaseforfossilfuels.com/data/
Quote:Link.
You are a vegetarian, right? I believe I saw you say that in another thread. Then you are probably aware of this:
https://www.cowspiracy.com/facts
But facts matter only as far as they support your agenda, right?
Quote:The USA given its very large sunny areas (like Arizona), could fulfill ALL its energy needs with renewables.
No. Statistics disagree on this one, but the most generous study to support your case here I've seen shows the US could fulfill around a third of its energy needs from the renewable sources. Besides, why exactly would you care about it? You are from South Korea, and not from the US, right?
Answer me this question, and I might take you seriously about this: why exactly do you think the Green New Deal would, if implemented, have different effects than the Great Leap Forward did? You argue strangely. What are you trying to say? I can see that you are hostile-- I assume it's because you are trying to make a killer point; but I'm not exactly sure what that point is. Why are you talking about my vegetarianism and about my living in South Korea?
Are you arguing in favor of fossil fuel usage? Against the greenhouse effect?
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RE: I love AOC part 2
February 16, 2019 at 1:19 am
(February 16, 2019 at 12:35 am)bennyboy Wrote: (February 15, 2019 at 1:34 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Yeah, the rich countries get cleaner environment on the backs of the poor countries forced to pollute their environment. Except, how it is then that the percentage of people who die of pollution worldwide has been decreasing in the last 50 years, rather than increasing?
http://www.moralcaseforfossilfuels.com/data/
You are a vegetarian, right? I believe I saw you say that in another thread. Then you are probably aware of this:
https://www.cowspiracy.com/facts
But facts matter only as far as they support your agenda, right?
No. Statistics disagree on this one, but the most generous study to support your case here I've seen shows the US could fulfill around a third of its energy needs from the renewable sources. Besides, why exactly would you care about it? You are from South Korea, and not from the US, right?
Answer me this question, and I might take you seriously about this: why exactly do you think the Green New Deal would, if implemented, have different effects than the Great Leap Forward did? You argue strangely. What are you trying to say? I can see that you are hostile-- I assume it's because you are trying to make a killer point; but I'm not exactly sure what that point is. Why are you talking about my vegetarianism and about my living in South Korea?
Are you arguing in favor of fossil fuel usage? Against the greenhouse effect?
You don't recognize this? This person is a hardcore free market libertarian who pitches the idea that we can consume our way to a sustainable future. By consuming green commodities we will stimulate innovation that will solve all of our global warming problems. It's very popular. And it's probably worse than climate change denial, because it encourages rampant consumerism in the name of combating global warming.
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RE: I love AOC part 2
February 16, 2019 at 1:47 am
But. . . the degree of fact denial required to hold such a position is. . . is. . . mind boggling.
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RE: I love AOC part 2
February 16, 2019 at 4:05 am
You didn't even attempt to answer me: why do you think the effects of the Green New Deal, if it were somehow implemented, be different from the effects of the Great Leap Forward?
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RE: I love AOC part 2
February 16, 2019 at 11:48 am
Why do you think it would be similar, is probably a better question. No one could answer whatever it is you're wondering about unless they knew that?
The Green New Deal is a resolution to figure out how to move to 100% renewable electricity and reduce carbon emissions as much as is technologically feasible. Are you concerned that this will lead to famine? That it would shrink the economy? That it will negatively impact local communities? That officials will be executed for spreading misinformation?
What?
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RE: I love AOC part 2
February 16, 2019 at 12:08 pm
(February 16, 2019 at 11:48 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Why do you think it would be similar, is probably a better question. No one could answer whatever it is you're wondering about unless they knew that?
The Green New Deal is a resolution to figure out how to move to 100% renewable electricity and reduce carbon emissions as much as is technologically feasible. Are you concerned that this will lead to famine? That it would shrink the economy? That it will negatively impact local communities? That officials will be executed for spreading misinformation?
What?
Meh. I agree that he is making an assertion posed as a question. But on the other hand, we all know that socialism is a huge part of the Green New Deal. It is not just a plan to go 100% renewable. It is obviously not going to suffer the same sorts of catastrophic failures of the Great Leap Forward, but it could suffer a pretty severe failure nonetheless. I try to imagine what a catastrophic failure of the Green New Deal would look like, and I don't see anything that is all that horrible. I am concerned about some of the modern monetary theory elements of it, that trivializes the national debt. We could be taking a serious risk that we will convert our economy to a very low growth high debt economy in which the Green New Deal has failed, and we have all effectively become serfs. But we are sort of heading in that direction anyway.
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RE: I love AOC part 2
February 16, 2019 at 12:10 pm
Kindly point to anything about socialism in the resolution?
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RE: I love AOC part 2
February 17, 2019 at 4:52 am
On the page #10 (I think), it talks about government confiscating property and giving money in return. That's pretty much what people today mean when they say "socialism".
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RE: I love AOC part 2
February 17, 2019 at 4:56 am
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Here's the full text of page 10. Where does it say anything about that?
Quote:10 1 tion, and to help other countries achieve a 2 Green New Deal; 3 (3) a Green New Deal must be developed 4 through transparent and inclusive consultation, col5 laboration, and partnership with frontline and vul6 nerable communities, labor unions, worker coopera7 tives, civil society groups, academia, and businesses; 8 and 9 (4) to achieve the Green New Deal goals and 10 mobilization, a Green New Deal will require the fol11 lowing goals and projects— 12 (A) providing and leveraging, in a way that 13 ensures that the public receives appropriate 14 ownership stakes and returns on investment, 15 adequate capital (including through community 16 grants, public banks, and other public financ17 ing), technical expertise, supporting policies, 18 and other forms of assistance to communities, 19 organizations, Federal, State, and local govern20 ment agencies, and businesses working on the 21 Green New Deal mobilization; 22 (B) ensuring that the Federal Government 23 takes into account the complete environmental 24 and social costs and impacts of emissions 25 through—
https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/sites/oc...20Deal.pdf
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RE: I love AOC part 2
February 17, 2019 at 8:17 am
For the record, I got that piece of "information" from here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6guWf8P-5Y
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