Evolution and Christianity and Salvation

[The Grand Nudger]

Nobody gives a shit about panspermia like noone gives a shit about a ranchero, drich.

[pocaracas]

Meaning you have the ablity to have your own angel God experience.

It is promised by Christ Himself.. Again remember people in general are not stupid. Religions fail all the time because they can not deliver what was promised. This religion has been doing so for over 2000 years despite satan's involvement in the church durning the dark ages. Why? because people despite the church, people still experienced God. Like I did.

Imagine if what happened to me happened to you literally/word for word, and knew this promise was open to everyone? where would your focous be? on what everyone could figure out for themselves or on the one aspect that only you knew if it were true?

If you truly wanted to know what I had to say about God was true... you would already have your answer

Evidently, you were face to face with a psychic.




(this video doesn't play here in the UK, but there are ways to watch it... - maybe it will in 2 months or so)

[Jehanne]

 but, instead, I was looking for scientific papers, that is, published articles in the peer-reviewed scientific literature.  Such would constitute a "citation"; my apologies for not being clearer, and no, I am not asking you to be my librarian.  Instead, I am trying to point out the fact that abiogenesis and evolution are really two separate subjects and areas of inquiry.

then google it retard hey-sus christos the same key word apply! Just add peer reviewed papers. otherwise know the word citation call for a simple reference from a book or paper concerning a specific subject. here for you "good people" I always start with teterary material and work my way up.. if you do not wish to follow this pattern of discovery and conversation, then like I said look it up yourself. because in my experience, if you can not discuss a subject in a common tertary way. then you will be lost in a primary reference like a peer reviewed paper.

The links that you listed are scientific programs, which I was aware of,

then why where you arguing against them? it seemed to me the only thing you where aware of was evolution from a void. I even used the scientific perfered term 'seeding' and it triggered nothing but piss and vinegar from you! in otherword from my perspective HTF am I supposed to know what you think you know when you argue against what you say you already understand?

First off, scientists speculate on all sorts of things, which, as all of them will tell you, is an area that is completely different than the corpus of scientific knowledge that is reflected in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, textbooks, etc.  And, so, panspermia is an hypothesis, and not a theory.  The Theory of Evolution by neo-Darwinian natural selection, on the other hand, is like the theory of gravity, a well-established fact of Nature.

[Drich]

You can believe anything if you start from a position of faith.

says a man of science..

The only faith needed is the same faith you put into science as a means of discovery. meaning if you want to knwot he truth about God have enough faith to honestly follow the directions he left and honor and honestly follow where he leads.

Meaning don't ask God for direction and oppertunity to go to church or to some study comes up and you dismiss it as a fluke. If you ask for truth or direction and an oppertunity to explore it honest appears then follow it with an open mind see where it leads.

[downbeatplumb]

You can believe anything if you start from a position of faith.

says a man of science..

The only faith needed is the same faith you put into science as a means of discovery. meaning if you want to knwot he truth about God have enough faith to honestly follow the directions he left and honor and honestly follow where he leads.

Meaning don't ask God for direction and oppertunity to go to church or to some study comes up and you dismiss it as a fluke. If you ask for truth or direction and an oppertunity to explore it honest appears then follow it with an open mind see where it leads.

I see you don't know what science is.

Science among other things is the method by which we remove our preconceptions to come to truth.

Its why religions hate science so much.

[Drich]

Nobody gives a shit about panspermia like noone gives a shit about a ranchero, drich.

you don't now, but in truth when I was slow to do an information dump, you douches where firing up the torches to have a good olde fashion witch hunt! tell the truth.. I can always tell which is why I chum the water with tid bits of information to see how many of you are waiting in the wings .. Then when you are committed to a thought or course of action...

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Meaning you have the ablity to have your own angel God experience.

It is promised by Christ Himself.. Again remember people in general are not stupid. Religions fail all the time because they can not deliver what was promised. This religion has been doing so for over 2000 years despite satan's involvement in the church durning the dark ages. Why? because people despite the church, people still experienced God. Like I did.

Imagine if what happened to me happened to you literally/word for word, and knew this promise was open to everyone? where would your focous be? on what everyone could figure out for themselves or on the one aspect that only you knew if it were true?

If you truly wanted to know what I had to say about God was true... you would already have your answer

Evidently, you were face to face with a psychic.




(this video doesn't play here in the UK, but there are ways to watch it... - maybe it will in 2 months or so)

or maybe what you understand to be a psychic.. (at the time that is what I thought) but 1/2 way through his speech when I said to my self 'this must be my guardian angel while he was talking... mid sentence he stop turned and look me in the eye did a little nod and smiled, and went on.. I might have said two words aloud in the truck the whole time.. He had alot to say and said it all real fast. when from one subject straight into the other, when he had finished no time to even ask a question he said pull over here into another gas station (kangaroo) I did a u tur in the drive now facing the direction we came in (idk like 3 to 5 seconds) and he was completely gone! just like he appeared out of no where.. (I opened my truck door and he was with in my personal space. ) which was weird because at the time that gas station set below the road and from the road you could see the whole station and parking lot. I was almost certain it was empty, plus it was very cold and getting dark/ no one out.

Bet none of those psychics appeared or left that way.

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then google it retard hey-sus christos the same key word apply! Just add peer reviewed papers. otherwise know the word citation call for a simple reference from a book or paper concerning a specific subject. here for you "good people" I always start with teterary material and work my way up.. if you do not wish to follow this pattern of discovery and conversation, then like I said look it up yourself. because in my experience, if you can not discuss a subject in a common tertary way. then you will be lost in a primary reference like a peer reviewed paper.


then why where you arguing against them? it seemed to me the only thing you where aware of was evolution from a void. I even used the scientific perfered term 'seeding' and it triggered nothing but piss and vinegar from you! in otherword from my perspective HTF am I supposed to know what you think you know when you argue against what you say you already understand?

First off, scientists speculate on all sorts of things, which, as all of them will tell you, is an area that is completely different than the corpus of scientific knowledge that is reflected in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, textbooks, etc.  And, so, panspermia is an hypothesis, and not a theory.  The Theory of Evolution by neo-Darwinian natural selection, on the other hand, is like the theory of gravity, a well-established fact of Nature.

poor simple jen-neigh.. she has moved the goal posts so many time she forgot the who reason for the discussion..

did you forget I only said:
DrichWrote:[url=https://atheistforums.org/post-1888104.html#pid1888104][/url]

I know you are stuck in 1990's when it comes to creation verse evolution, but there is indeed a movement towards a master creator race of aliens or master designer who seeded this world as it explains alot. if you simply google it science is considering not 'god' wizard supreme but the description of creation and assigning it to a older more advanced race of people. To which I simply ask why can't that master creator alien be god?

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There are scientist considering which closer to a hypothesis than a theory is it not?

then where do you get the idea that you need to explain to me the difference between a hypothesis and a theory?!?!? I chose my words carfully, it is yo who reassigned them and made a quest that had nothing to do with what i said.

You like a moron assumed I told you the theory of evolution was replaced.. never said that not even close. I said their is an idea gaining popularity among scientists that challenges the evolutionary model of something from nothing that the earth was seeded and you where totally oblivious to it.

[Jehanne]

I know you are stuck in 1990's when it comes to creation verse evolution, but there is indeed a movement towards a master creator race of aliens or master designer who seeded this world as it explains alot. if you simply google it science is considering not 'god' wizard supreme but the description of creation and assigning it to a older more advanced race of people. To which I simply ask why can't that master creator alien be god?

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There are scientist considering which closer to a hypothesis than a theory is it not?

then where do you get the idea that you need to explain to me the difference between a hypothesis and a theory?!?!? I chose my words carfully, it is yo who reassigned them and made a quest that had nothing to do with what i said.

You like a moron assumed I told you the theory of evolution was replaced.. never said that not even close. I said their is an idea gaining popularity among scientists that challenges the evolutionary model of something from nothing that the earth was seeded and you where totally oblivious to it.

A "master creator race of aliens"?  Perhaps in the Star Trek Universe, but show me a scientific paper in Nature, Science, PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences), or, for that matter, any other scientific, peer-reviewed, refereed journal where this idea is presented.

[Drich]

says a man of science..

The only faith needed is the same faith you put into science as a means of discovery. meaning if you want to knwot he truth about God have enough faith to honestly follow the directions he left and honor and honestly follow where he leads.

Meaning don't ask God for direction and oppertunity to go to church or to some study comes up and you dismiss it as a fluke. If you ask for truth or direction and an oppertunity to explore it honest appears then follow it with an open mind see where it leads.

I see you don't know what science is.

Science among other things is the method by which we remove our preconceptions to come to truth.

Its why religions hate science so much.

hey-sus chirstos you are a dumb.. not only do I make money using the scientific principles that has allowed man to harness and control electricity but I also used the laws of thermal dynamics to conqueror several problems a team of engineers had, and build two very unique and distinct items that contribute to the "green effort" to not only bring food from our farms to your table but also allow smaller start up access to this technology at a fraction of the price it was projected to cost. I through science and legitmatly a contributing member to society that help facilitate whole. green perishable food created corporately or on a mom and pop farm, bakery,caterer level, to bring their goods to market. or to deliver them to your door step. (you know how alot of stores are delivering groceries to your home now???? YOU MF-ing WELCOME) Not only that I thought God have found away to assimilate the whole of 'science's' working theories on evolution (unmolested/I did not have to change a blessed word) into what the bible says without changing a word of the holy Bible.

Do you understand little man?

I'm telling you religion does not have to hate science any more. and yet you still get to hate all things religious. Has that sunk in yet or has the bigotry truly blinded you?

[Jehanne]

I see you don't know what science is.

Science among other things is the method by which we remove our preconceptions to come to truth.

Its why religions hate science so much.

hey-sus chirstos you are a dumb.. not only do I make money using the scientific principles that has allowed man to harness and control electricity but I also used the laws of thermal dynamics to conqueror several problems a team of engineers had, and build two very unique and distinct items that contribute to the "green effort" to not only bring food from our farms to your table but also allow smaller start up access to this technology at a fraction of the price it was projected to cost. I through science and legitmatly a contributing member to society that help facilitate whole. green perishable food created corporately or on a mom and pop farm, bakery,caterer level, to bring their goods to market. or to deliver them to your door step. (you know how alot of stores are delivering groceries to your home now???? YOU MF-ing WELCOME) Not only that I thought God have found away to assimilate the whole of 'science's' working theories on evolution (unmolested/I did not have to change a blessed word) into what the bible says without changing a word of the holy Bible.

Do you understand little man?

I'm telling you religion does not have to hate science any more. and yet you still get to hate all things religious. Has that sunk in yet or has the bigotry truly blinded you?

With modern science, there is simply no reason to believe in God, any more than there are reasons to believe in the existence of fairies, unicorns, pixies, or, the FSM.  You can believe, if you wish; there are just no good reasons to do so.

[Drich]

There are scientist considering which closer to a hypothesis than a theory is it not?

then where do you get the idea that you need to explain to me the difference between a hypothesis and a theory?!?!? I chose my words carfully, it is yo who reassigned them and made a quest that had nothing to do with what i said.

You like a moron assumed I told you the theory of evolution was replaced.. never said that not even close. I said their is an idea gaining popularity among scientists that challenges the evolutionary model of something from nothing that the earth was seeded and you where totally oblivious to it.

A "master creator race of aliens"?  Perhaps in the Star Trek Universe, but show me a scientific paper in Nature, Science, PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences), or, for that matter, any other scientific, peer-reviewed, refereed journal where this idea is presented.

 thought you were talking about theories verses hypothesis?

Again if we are talking hypothesis then the link to the paper I left suggests the 'jump' in our evolutionary progression was due to "alien genetic materials or perhaps eggs or seeds designed to survive deep space, re-entry and the terraforming conditions the meteor would create upon high speed impact. Without such designed or intervention there would be no difference between a panspermia meteor or anyother meteor who's exposure to solar radiation and subsequent entry into the atmosphere destroys all signs of life on it.

Do you understand? inorder for the idea of panspermia to work someone has to design a way to protect the genetic material from being destroyed from solar radiation, from the heat of atmospheric entry to the nuculear bomb type of explosion the meteor causes upon impact to the ashe and subsequent nuclear winter (what supposedly killed the dinosaurs).. yet protect the seeds, eggs or whatever specimen that is the catalyst for  evolutionary change.

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hey-sus chirstos you are a dumb.. not only do I make money using the scientific principles that has allowed man to harness and control electricity but I also used the laws of thermal dynamics to conqueror several problems a team of engineers had, and build two very unique and distinct items that contribute to the "green effort" to not only bring food from our farms to your table but also allow smaller start up access to this technology at a fraction of the price it was projected to cost. I through science and legitmatly a contributing member to society that help facilitate whole. green perishable food created corporately or on a mom and pop farm, bakery,caterer level, to bring their goods to market. or to deliver them to your door step. (you know how alot of stores are delivering groceries to your home now???? YOU MF-ing WELCOME) Not only that I thought God have found away to assimilate the whole of 'science's' working theories on evolution (unmolested/I did not have to change a blessed word) into what the bible says without changing a word of the holy Bible.

Do you understand little man?

I'm telling you religion does not have to hate science any more. and yet you still get to hate all things religious. Has that sunk in yet or has the bigotry truly blinded you?

With modern science, there is simply no reason to believe in God, any more than there are reasons to believe in the existence of fairies, unicorns, pixies, or, the FSM.  You can believe, if you wish; there are just no good reasons to do so.

My theory is not for you, but for the one who is struggling with their new faith and what their totalitarian science teacher says. Now one does not contrdict the other in any way shape or form nor does with change.