New Gun Regulations In The US Would Be Really, Really Stupid

[Amarok]

He's just pointing up that guns are in the hands of criminals and there's nothing we should do about that.

Oh no we need to have faith in the "good guys " with guns

[Gawdzilla Sama]

He's just pointing up that guns are in the hands of criminals and there's nothing we should do about that.

Oh no we need to have faith in the "good guys " with guns

Yeah, a bar full of "good guys" and the "good guys" full of booze.

[popeyespappy]

Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm pretty sure the Jews, gypsies, and homosexuals who had recently been disarmed and weren't lucky enough to get out of Europe were the people that later ended up in the gas chambers.

The idea that if only the holocaust victims were armed, that the holocaust would have been lessened in some manner is both offensive and ridiculous.  It's been long debunked by historians. 

There's this magical idea that if only the jews had guns, they could've done what the Soviet army struggled to do, without the military training and tanks.   There were uprisings -- and they were largely failures.  Take for instance the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, which was a massive failure.  Many of those who weren't disarmed and participated in the uprising died -- either in battle, or sent to death camps.  In extraordinarily high numbers, while the German Casualties were quite low.

To think that a group of untrained individuals with pistols could have stopped what the Soviet Army could not is quite ludicrous.

Nice straw man. Since I never argued European Jews could have stopped the Holocaust if a few of them could have been armed with pistols. I just said the Nazis worked for years to disarm as many of them as possible before they started rounding them up for slaughter.

Yes Jewish uprisings in the ghettos and even the killing camps were largely unsuccessful but not completely so. Some were able to escape the ghettos during these events. Many of those who did joined armed partisan units. Many of those not only survived the war they helped others survive too. So while armed resistance by the Jews was not able to stop the Holocaust, it did help many survive it.

Oh and by the way, just in case your history is a little cloudy, the Soviet army did stop the Germans.

[Amarok]

Nice straw man. Since I never argued European Jews could have stopped the Holocaust if a few of them could have been armed with pistols. I just said the Nazis worked for years to disarm as many of them as possible before they started rounding them up for slaughter.

And even if they hadn't it would have been the same 

Yes Jewish uprisings in the ghettos and even the killing camps were largely unsuccessful but not completely so. Some were able to escape the ghettos during these events. Many of those who did . Many of those not only survived the war they helped others survive too. So while armed resistance by the Jews was not able to stop the Holocaust, it did help many survive it.

Small compared to the millions slaughtered 

Oh and by the way, just in case your history is a little cloudy, the Soviet army did stop the Germans.

And then proceeded to massacre populations themselves

[popeyespappy]

And even if they hadn't it would have been the same 

Would it? I've already said It wouldn't have stopped the Holocaust, but that doesn't mean it would have been the same. Things might have been different if Germany had started slaughtering Jews in the streets in 1933. More might have been motivated to try to get out early. The US might not have turned away ship loads of Jewish refugees and sent them back to Europe to die. More could have lived. Less could have died. We don't know if it would have been the same or not.

Small compared to the millions slaughtered 

Small yes, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a good thing for the thousands that did live due to the actions of armed partizans.

And then proceeded to massacre populations themselves

I never claimed the Russians were saints. Only that they stopped the Germans. Even then not without a good deal of help.

[The Grand Nudger]

Removing guns from devalued minorities while systematically loosening restrictions on party loyalists is exactly what the wingnut lobby in the US does.  If it were me, as a gun rights advocate, I certainly wouldn't want to go anywhere near the whole "Hitler took the guns" song and dance. Especially while we're erecting concentration camps, and the Gropenfuhrer is holding rallies.

[popeyespappy]

Removing guns from devalued minorities while systematically loosening restrictions on party loyalists is exactly what the wingnut lobby in the US does.  If it were me, as a gun rights advocate, I certainly wouldn't want to go anywhere near the whole "Hitler took the guns" song and dance.  Especially while we're erecting concentration camps, and the Gropenfuhrer is holding rallies.

Gun control laws in the US have a long history of targeting minorities.

[The Grand Nudger]

Exactly, just as the loosened restrictions are red meat specifically targeting the base.  That's why, again, the hitler took the guns bit is a bad idea for gun rights advocates.

If the idea, childish as it is to begin with, is to "not be hitler"...well........

I still can't figure out what's wrong with explaining that we like to shoot guns, why it has to be a hitler-off or murder fantasies all the time.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I still can't figure out what's wrong with explaining that we like to shoot guns

Nothing. Not only is there nothing wrong with explaining it, I don't see anything wrong with people liking to shoot guns.  But - like you - I have an issue with people who's basic argument seems to been, 'I need to have guns to make it easier to put holes in people.'

Boru

[Mister Agenda]

Even 'gun culture people' have complained that the firearm laws we already have aren't enforced.