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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 15, 2019 at 6:32 am
(July 15, 2019 at 5:03 am)Godscreated Wrote: You should feel the fool for a statement like that, you've argued with Christians enough to know all that you listed is a result of man's sin. God shows his love for us by giving people the brains to be doctors, engineers and ect. I do not have the brain that would allow me to accomplish those things, my abilities lay else where. I am grateful that those people chose to become doctors and engineers and I'm grateful that God gave them the brain it took to do those things. So yes God deserves to receive thanks and so do the people who help us with our difficulties and other things of necessity. The thing I find interesting in the OP is everyone assumed the person was a Christian. Many times I've heard people who do not believe use the same phrase. If you are going to argue over something certain grounds need to be established or you might be wasting your time and energy on something as silly as a spoken phrase that could have meant nothing to the person who stated it, she didn't even mention God according to the OP so all was assumed.
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GC *etc doesn't require and before it. Also are we thanking God for giving mad axe murderers their brains and ect.
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 15, 2019 at 6:43 am
At a more fundamental level, the dominant religion in a society is credited with that same society’s basic human decency while belief inspired abrogations if the same are whitewashed and Othered. On top of this framework of undue deference the same beliefs appropriate institutional benevolence as somehow being the sole product of their ideologies and again painting institutional incompetence and malice as the result of cultural invasion.
When the shape of the individual and the collective is defined in this way, it becomes second nature to credit the work of our fellow human beings as a divine gift while simultaneously insisting that the contended work of the gods, when negatively valued, is somehow the fault of mans interference.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 15, 2019 at 11:35 am
(July 11, 2019 at 4:57 pm)Cod Wrote: It really gets on my nerves when God gets the credit for something that obviously had fuck all to do with him.
I've just been watching a tv programme called Long Lost Family, where a team of researchers track down family members for people who have been searching for years.
The case tonight was a woman searching for her mother... After the painstaking efforts of the researchers going into minute detail on census records her mother was found alive and well and living in Canada, they were reunited and all was well. The researchers then through DNA samples found her brother on her fathers side living only seven miles away, they were reunited and all was well.
Asked how she felt about finding her mother after all these years, and the bonus of finding her brother who she never knew existed, she replied "It's a miracle, amen."
I nearly choked on my beer. I am having trouble where she is giving God the credit. She is simply recognizing it is a miracle she was able to find that family member. And from the sound of it, it was a miracle. I find it weird this bothers you so much.
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 16, 2019 at 4:39 am
(July 15, 2019 at 11:35 am)Atomic Monster Wrote: I am having trouble where she is giving God the credit. She is simply recognizing it is a miracle she was able to find that family member. And from the sound of it, it was a miracle.
Not really a miracle though was it? She found her family through the hard work of others, not through some unexplained supernatural event. The language she used and her lack of thanks for the effort put in by the people who actually located her family got on my tits.
Quote: I find it weird this bothers you so much.
Do I care?
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 16, 2019 at 5:12 am
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The reason why God gets all the credit is because religions like Christianity have this anti human stance that human beings are flawed, filthy, "sinful", cursed creatures and that the good things can only come from gods and angels. I mean this reminds me again of the last Russian Empress Alexandra who had that hemophiliac son so she spent most of her time living in Church and praying for him to heal. It never occurred to her that those "dirty", "stupid" and undignified peasants around her hold the key to her son's cure and that if she invested money in educating them they would find it.
Unlike today where people are more prone giving money to various foundations for finding cure instead of giving it to church and other religious orgs, so it is changing today with the rise of secularism.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 16, 2019 at 5:42 am
(July 15, 2019 at 11:35 am)Atomic Monster Wrote: (July 11, 2019 at 4:57 pm)Cod Wrote: It really gets on my nerves when God gets the credit for something that obviously had fuck all to do with him.
I've just been watching a tv programme called Long Lost Family, where a team of researchers track down family members for people who have been searching for years.
The case tonight was a woman searching for her mother... After the painstaking efforts of the researchers going into minute detail on census records her mother was found alive and well and living in Canada, they were reunited and all was well. The researchers then through DNA samples found her brother on her fathers side living only seven miles away, they were reunited and all was well.
Asked how she felt about finding her mother after all these years, and the bonus of finding her brother who she never knew existed, she replied "It's a miracle, amen."
I nearly choked on my beer. I am having trouble where she is giving God the credit. She is simply recognizing it is a miracle she was able to find that family member. And from the sound of it, it was a miracle. I find it weird this bothers you so much.
Quote:After the painstaking efforts of the researchers going into minute detail on census records her mother was found alive and well and living in Canada, they were reunited and all was well. The researchers then through DNA samples found her brother on her fathers side living only seven miles away
A couple of years ago, a new pedestrian bridge was built in a local park here. It's about 100' long, and is built almost entirely of sustainable materials. Impact studies were done, along with feasibility and cost analyses, design plans were submitted and a final one chosen. A lot of locals donated cash, materials and labour. Construction took about four months. All in all, a couple of hundred dedicated people worked very hard to make this project happen.
And I don't recall anyone referring to the bridge as 'a miracle'.
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 16, 2019 at 12:36 pm
That's maddening!!!
My daughter and I used to watch this show about people who survived horrifying situations, such as kidnap and almost murder, natural disasters, etc.
She's 12 and she gets SO MAD when at the end of the show they attributed their survival to god. I can hear her now when it came to that part at the end, she'd say, "Oh no, here we go..." lol
We were always relieved when someone said they survived because they had a strong will to live, and lots of people who helped them survive it.
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 16, 2019 at 12:48 pm
(July 16, 2019 at 4:39 am)Cod Wrote: (July 15, 2019 at 11:35 am)Atomic Monster Wrote: I am having trouble where she is giving God the credit. She is simply recognizing it is a miracle she was able to find that family member. And from the sound of it, it was a miracle.
Not really a miracle though was it? She found her family through the hard work of others, not through some unexplained supernatural event. The language she used and her lack of thanks for the effort put in by the people who actually located her family got on my tits.
Quote: I find it weird this bothers you so much.
Do I care?
I guess. You kind of remind me of the stereotypical neckbeard atheist. Just saying.
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 16, 2019 at 1:18 pm
(July 16, 2019 at 12:48 pm)Atomic Monster Wrote: (July 16, 2019 at 4:39 am)Cod Wrote: Not really a miracle though was it? She found her family through the hard work of others, not through some unexplained supernatural event. The language she used and her lack of thanks for the effort put in by the people who actually located her family got on my tits.
Do I care?
I guess. You kind of remind me of the stereotypical neckbeard atheist. Just saying.
Goddamnit….I can't grow a neckbeard. Do I have to turn in my atheist membership card and try to forget the secret handshake?
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RE: Why does God get the credit?
July 16, 2019 at 1:20 pm
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(July 16, 2019 at 1:18 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: (July 16, 2019 at 12:48 pm)Atomic Monster Wrote: I guess. You kind of remind me of the stereotypical neckbeard atheist. Just saying.
Goddamnit….I can't grow a neckbeard. Do I have to turn in my atheist membership card and try to forget the secret handshake?
Hahaha
I should just clarify I just meant he comes off as the type of atheist that gets angry at every little thing even though it does not directly impact him. Like who gives a shit if someone wants to give credit to their God for something that happened in their life? I don't care. Unless it directly involves me, I really don't care what someone believes. Of course not all atheists are like this, in fact about 99% are not. But I suspect I will get downvoted, bombarded since I'm being critical of another atheist on an atheist forum.  I just feel there are bigger fish to fry than worry about what someone else believes. You know such as people who want to instill religion into government, and so on.
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