Vision and Evolution (A Critique of Dawkins)

[John 6IX Breezy]

Well, awesome, you have “half a degree” in cognitive science.  You’ll come across model based control sooner or later.

-but in the moment, here and now...do you think that your half a degree could be advantageous?

Is it helpful to know things, even if you don’t know all the things?

I don't even think full degrees are advantageous in today's society. Ask me what job I'll have once I graduate. But at least I'll be able to talk about stuff in forums, and that's always fun.

But it is funny that' we've gone from googling, to taking courses, to getting a full degree before I can learn about model based control.

[brewer]

Professors from where?

What are your required to take? 

Sounds like you're going for a degree, what degree?

Just a regular state university, and a degree in Cognitive Science.

You made the claim, put up or shut up. University and professor list.

Give us the list of papers you claim to have ("I have no problem pointing you to any of the papers I've read. I generally keep them on an organized folder on my computer. They're all highlighted."). 

Please email S Pinker with a request and post an image of his response (I'll wait the week).

[The Grand Nudger]

Hey, you don’t have to get a full degree, you could have followed up on a google search, or read the link by now.

I was just presenting you with a situation in which you had half a something that was useful.

[John 6IX Breezy]

You made the claim, put up or shut up. University and professor list.

Give us the list of papers you claim to have ("I have no problem pointing you to any of the papers I've read. I generally keep them on an organized folder on my computer. They're all highlighted."). 

Please email S Pinker with a request and post an image of his response (I'll wait the week).

I'm not giving you my university or professor list. I've been doxed by atheists in the past (never underestimate how crazy the internet can get). There's probably already enough information to do so anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter. 

As to the list of papers, is there a specific topic you're wanting to discuss? I have way too many for my own good. Here's a screenshot of some of the ones we had to read on a course about sensation and perception (which is relevant to this thread). Pardon the inconsistent titles, I'm still working on the most effective way to categorize papers. I sometimes don't even know where to put what. For example, attention is a topic of its own, but a lot of research is done through visual attention. So should that fall under perception or attention? Or do I make a copy and place them in both? So yeah, its under construction.



Here's a screenshot of one of the old emails Pinker sent me. Its worth noting I was maybe on my first or second year of college? So the questions I was asking aren't even that great (by my own standards today). But rather than ignore the email as "ignorant" he took the time address it and comment on it. Contrast that with your response earlier. 

But I was wrong lol. He responded within a day, not a week lol. So I take that back.

[LadyForCamus]

So, when do we get to the, “Therefore Jesus” part?

[The Grand Nudger]

Hopefully never. The OP has managed to contain himself thus far, so there’s that.

[Succubus]

As to the list of papers, is there a specific topic you're wanting to discuss? I have way too many for my own good. Here's a screenshot of some of the ones we had to read on a course about sensation and perception (which is relevant to this thread). Pardon the inconsistent titles, I'm still working on the most effective way to categorize papers. I sometimes don't even know where to put what. For example, attention is a topic of its own, but a lot of research is done through visual attention. So should that fall under perception or attention? Or do I make a copy and place them in both? So yeah, its under construction.

That's some heavy duty stuff you're into.

The First Steps in Seeing R. W. Rodieck

Snip:

A full appreciation of how the eyes work is rooted in diverse areas of science--optics; biochemistry and photochemistry; molecular biology, cell biology, neurobiology, and evolutionary biology; psychology and psychophysics.

And yet you ask fucking stupid questions, as in...

how can those species that lack "more" get "more?" Take a species of your choosing, and tell me what you think the next evolutionary step should be, if they were to evolve human-like eyes.

To paraphrase Eric Cartman; You're a fucking troll dude.

[John 6IX Breezy]

That's some heavy duty stuff you're into.

The First Steps in Seeing R. W. Rodieck

Snip:

A full appreciation of how the eyes work is rooted in diverse areas of science--optics; biochemistry and photochemistry; molecular biology, cell biology, neurobiology, and evolutionary biology; psychology and psychophysics.

And yet you ask fucking stupid questions, as in...

how can those species that lack "more" get "more?" Take a species of your choosing, and tell me what you think the next evolutionary step should be, if they were to evolve human-like eyes.

To paraphrase Eric Cartman; You're a fucking troll dude.

What is the relevancy between what the book description said and I said? I agree the study of vision is very interdisciplinary. Regardless, my question was very straightforward and uncontroversial. To give an example there's a paper out there where researchers hypothesized that in between whales that had teeth vs. baleen, there would a step in which they would have some specified mixture of the two; later such a whale was discovered. (I think Chimp3 was the one who told me about it, so if you're out there reading this, let me know if you remember the source).

The premise here is the same. Evolution went from point A to point B for the human eye. So take point A and tell me what the next major phenotypic step would be on its what to B.

[The Grand Nudger]

You’ve already been given the deets here.

Between simple creatures with simple eyespots connected to motor cells and human beings, we would expect to find creatures with simple eyespots connected to motor cells in abnormally overdeveloped nervous systems.

Which we do. Loads of them.

[Succubus]

So you're blinded by the light and now you're moving on to teeth?