Shot in her own home!

[Athene]

It's quite difficult to accept the assertion of "Not all cops" when considering all the "good" cops who are deeply committed to turning a blind eye towards officers abusing their authority--and corroborating their accounts, and the departments that are reluctant/unwilling to hold them accountable. It's more than simply being a matter of a few bad apples. 

So yes, a general fear and disdain for law enforcement is actually rather justified, IMO.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The danger of sweeping generalizations really has to be recapitulated?

[Brian37]

It's quite difficult to accept the assertion of "Not all cops" when considering all the "good" cops who are deeply committed to turning a blind eye towards officers abusing their authority--and corroborating their accounts, and the departments that are reluctant/unwilling to hold them accountable. It's more than simply being a matter of a few bad apples. 

So yes, a general fear and disdain for law enforcement is actually rather justified, IMO.

This smacks of delusional paranoia. Power will arise in any system. Even closed states like North Korea have police. If you think America's system is fucked up, North Korea doesn't have such a thing as "due process". Over there if the government wants you dead, your dead. At least here the victims of abuse have far more of an opportunity to seek justice, and in this case the officer has been charged with murder.

There certainly are things that can be improved here. We can add more non lethal training. Add more deescalation training. End private prisons. End long prison sentences for non violent crimes. But also pay workers livable wages that meet the cost of living. And provide universal health care. And provide quality education.

[onlinebiker]

Wrong thread..

Need coffee...

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It's quite difficult to accept the assertion of "Not all cops" when considering all the "good" cops who are deeply committed to turning a blind eye towards officers abusing their authority--and corroborating their accounts, and the departments that are reluctant/unwilling to hold them accountable. It's more than simply being a matter of a few bad apples. 

So yes, a general fear and disdain for law enforcement is actually rather justified, IMO.

This smacks of delusional paranoia. Power will arise in any system. Even closed states like North Korea have police. If you think America's system is fucked up, North Korea doesn't have such a thing as "due process". Over there if the government wants you dead, your dead. At least here the victims of abuse have far more of an opportunity to seek justice, and in this case the officer has been charged with murder.

There certainly are things that can be improved here. We can add more non lethal training. Add more deescalation training. End private prisons. End long prison sentences for non violent crimes. But also pay workers livable wages that meet the cost of living. And provide universal health care. And provide quality education.

It's not in the least bit delusional, nor is it paranoid.  The 'blue wall' does exist (though it is probably not  quite as pervasive as some people think).  Cops protect each other when possible.  Planting evidence, coercing confessions, kickbacks, etc are endemic in police cultures everywhere.  One cop reporting wrongdoing by another is likely to end in reprisal from fellow officers.

Does this mean all cops are bad guys?  Of course not. Not even the majority.  Not even a large minority.  But it's clear that enough of them are to engender the 'general fear and disdain' mentioned above.

Boru

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It makes one appreciate what a ballsy dude Jesse Owens was. 

T- bagged Hitler, he did.

On Hitler's front lawn.

Am I missing something?  Wossat got to do with cops?

Boru

[onlinebiker]

It makes one appreciate what a ballsy dude Jesse Owens was. 

T- bagged Hitler, he did.

On Hitler's front lawn.

Am I missing something?  Wossat got to do with cops?

Boru

Notta goddamned thing.

Wrong thread.

I should probably devise a Turing test for myself to see if I am awake enough to post...

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I don't post on days I have no pulse.

[Athene]

It's quite difficult to accept the assertion of "Not all cops" when considering all the "good" cops who are deeply committed to turning a blind eye towards officers abusing their authority--and corroborating their accounts, and the departments that are reluctant/unwilling to hold them accountable. It's more than simply being a matter of a few bad apples. 

So yes, a general fear and disdain for law enforcement is actually rather justified, IMO.

This smacks of delusional paranoia. Power will arise in any system. Even closed states like North Korea have police. If you think America's system is fucked up, North Korea doesn't have such a thing as "due process". Over there if the government wants you dead, your dead. At least here the victims of abuse have far more of an opportunity to seek justice, and in this case the officer has been charged with murder.

There certainly are things that can be improved here. We can add more non lethal training. Add more deescalation training. End private prisons. End long prison sentences for non violent crimes. But also pay workers livable wages that meet the cost of living. And provide universal health care. And provide quality education.

Nope, that's not delusional paranoia talking.

I didn't arrived at that conclusion as a result of liberal indoctrination or a few isolated incidents, but from years of personal and professional experience in dealing with police officers/departments. When bad cops lie and demand that you aid and assist or corroborate them in their bullshit, the "good" officers will turn a blind eye. Complaints to the department are routinely dismissed/swept under the rug.

These are far from being "occasional" occurrences.
You don't buy it? That's fine.

I know what I've seen and heard with my own ears and eyes though.

[arewethereyet]

  Brian accusing someone else of delusional paranoia wins the Internet today.

FFS - Athene has more insight into being black in America than most on this board.  Athene being a rational and consistent member of this board, I tend to lean toward the attitude that she knows what she's talking about.