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RE: Gun Control Crowd Safer? - and a control group
January 20, 2020 at 8:36 pm
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RE: Gun Control Crowd Safer? - and a control group
January 20, 2020 at 8:48 pm
(January 20, 2020 at 8:31 pm)Cecelia Wrote: But it's only because people interact with vending machines more often
-and that's exactly how the data with guns tracks. While the people with the most guns in the area with the most guns don;t wantonly shoot each other to shit...the numbers spike when people are in close proximity with thousands of interactions with people every day.
Geee, whod've thunk it, guns are more dangerous in cities..where their comparatively rare misuse can't fail but to hit some poor schmuck standing nearby.
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RE: Gun Control Crowd Safer? - and a control group
January 20, 2020 at 10:09 pm
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(January 20, 2020 at 8:02 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: (January 20, 2020 at 7:54 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Boru’s post had everything to do with the OP. The point is the rally is stupid and unnecessary in the first place. As far as your “experiment” goes, one question is: can it be repeated? What if we repeated this experiment twelve times, and nine out of the twelve times a person from the “gun” group shot someone? Data of that nature paints a completely different picture, doesn’t it? You haven’t proved anything, and your grasp on how researchers collect and analyze data is rather tenuous if you think it does.
Absolutely.
Gun shows in Michigan routinely have between 10 and 20,000 people go through them.
While you are not supposed to carry in a gun show - it's common knowledge that at least half the people there are carrying. Not to mention that there are guns and ammo EVERYWHERE...if somebody decided to kill some people - it would happen.
There is over a 100 shows a year at different venues - and the have been going on for over 75 years.
There has never been an incident to my knowledge - and I have asked.
This wasn't the exception.
It's the rule.
A gun show is not a protest. I don’t think you understand how repeatability in scientific research works. Just because you used the word “control” doesn’t mean you’ve necessarily describing a clinical trial, OB. What you provided was an anecdote, and nothing more.
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RE: Gun Control Crowd Safer? - and a control group
January 20, 2020 at 10:18 pm
The best that can be said about the recent rally, is that they didn't believe in their own shit as much as the guy who plowed his car into that girl did.
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RE: Gun Control Crowd Safer? - and a control group
January 20, 2020 at 10:54 pm
(January 20, 2020 at 7:27 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: (January 20, 2020 at 7:21 pm)brewer Wrote: If you read the article I think you'll find that there was "pissing" on both sides.
....
So WHY wasn't there mayhem?
The anti-gun crowd insists the only way to be safe is to not let reasonable people.have guns.
There was 16,000 armed people.just outside the fence - and there were no incidents...
You probably get more fights and arrests at an ABBA concert.
But SOMEHOW these armed people seemed to behave themselves?
Where's the anarchy the antis keep going on about?
There's no anarchy, only needless death and irrational fear.
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RE: Gun Control Crowd Safer? - and a control group
January 20, 2020 at 11:32 pm
(January 20, 2020 at 10:09 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (January 20, 2020 at 8:02 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Absolutely.
Gun shows in Michigan routinely have between 10 and 20,000 people go through them.
While you are not supposed to carry in a gun show - it's common knowledge that at least half the people there are carrying. Not to mention that there are guns and ammo EVERYWHERE...if somebody decided to kill some people - it would happen.
There is over a 100 shows a year at different venues - and the have been going on for over 75 years.
There has never been an incident to my knowledge - and I have asked.
This wasn't the exception.
It's the rule.
A gun show is not a protest. I don’t think you understand how repeatability in scientific research works. Just because you used the word “control” doesn’t mean you’ve necessarily describing a clinical trial, OB. What you provided was an anecdote, and nothing more.
Lol...
Really.
Yet SOMEHOW - .you conclude with no evidence whatsoever - that.your solutions lie in more gun control.
You have no test samples - no control groups - nothing but anectdotal evidence (frequently contradictory) of different unconnected events - and you just "know" that all we need to do is deny those unsavory gun owners their rights and things will be better.
Funny how that works.
Sounds an awful lot like "faith" to.me.
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RE: Gun Control Crowd Safer? - and a control group
January 21, 2020 at 12:06 am
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Quote:Lol...
Really.
Yes really
Quote:Yet SOMEHOW - .you conclude with no evidence whatsoever - that.your solutions lie in more gun control.
As opposed to the fallacious conclusions you make 
Quote:You have no test samples
You commit the fallacy of samples and even worst irrelevant samples which don't back your point .Which are as good a nothing
Quote:no control groups
Neither do you .You just claim it's control group though i fails as such
Quote:- nothing but anectdotal evidence (frequently contradictory) of different unconnected events
Irony on steroids
Quote:- and you just "know" that all we need to do is deny those unsavory gun owners their rights and things will be better.
And you just know the minds and motivations of your opposition as well as all he other baseless conspiracy crap you spew
Quote:Funny how that works.
Yes it's funny how you project your failings onto other people
Quote:Sounds an awful lot like "faith" to.me.
Your gun religion is indeed faith
(January 20, 2020 at 10:09 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (January 20, 2020 at 8:02 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Absolutely.
Gun shows in Michigan routinely have between 10 and 20,000 people go through them.
While you are not supposed to carry in a gun show - it's common knowledge that at least half the people there are carrying. Not to mention that there are guns and ammo EVERYWHERE...if somebody decided to kill some people - it would happen.
There is over a 100 shows a year at different venues - and the have been going on for over 75 years.
There has never been an incident to my knowledge - and I have asked.
This wasn't the exception.
It's the rule.
A gun show is not a protest. I don’t think you understand how repeatability in scientific research works. Just because you used the word “control” doesn’t mean you’ve necessarily describing a clinical trial, OB. What you provided was an anecdote, and nothing more. But in his mind he's the master of science
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RE: Gun Control Crowd Safer? - and a control group
January 21, 2020 at 12:36 am
(This post was last modified: January 21, 2020 at 12:37 am by LadyForCamus.)
(January 20, 2020 at 11:32 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: (January 20, 2020 at 10:09 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: A gun show is not a protest. I don’t think you understand how repeatability in scientific research works. Just because you used the word “control” doesn’t mean you’ve necessarily describing a clinical trial, OB. What you provided was an anecdote, and nothing more.
Lol...
Really.
Yet SOMEHOW - .you conclude with no evidence whatsoever - that.your solutions lie in more gun control.
I’m sorry. Where in this thread did I state my position on specific gun regulations?
Quote:You have no test samples - no control groups - nothing but anectdotal evidence (frequently contradictory) of different unconnected events - and you just "know" that all we need to do is deny those unsavory gun owners their rights and things will be better.
I’m sorry. Where in this thread did I assert that there exist clinical trials to support gun regulation, lol? Where in this thread did I say I wanted to deny people the right to own a firearm? I merely pointed out that you are offering an anecdote up as though it were some kind of controlled research study, which it was not. But please, continue raging against strawmen if it makes you feel better. 🤷♀️
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RE: Gun Control Crowd Safer? - and a control group
January 21, 2020 at 7:43 am
(January 20, 2020 at 8:02 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: (January 20, 2020 at 7:54 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Boru’s post had everything to do with the OP. The point is the rally is stupid and unnecessary in the first place. As far as your “experiment” goes, one question is: can it be repeated? What if we repeated this experiment twelve times, and nine out of the twelve times a person from the “gun” group shot someone? Data of that nature paints a completely different picture, doesn’t it? You haven’t proved anything, and your grasp on how researchers collect and analyze data is rather tenuous if you think it does.
Absolutely.
Gun shows in Michigan routinely have between 10 and 20,000 people go through them.
While you are not supposed to carry in a gun show - it's common knowledge that at least half the people there are carrying. Not to mention that there are guns and ammo EVERYWHERE...if somebody decided to kill some people - it would happen.
There is over a 100 shows a year at different venues - and the have been going on for over 75 years.
There has never been an incident to my knowledge - and I have asked.
This wasn't the exception.
It's the rule.
But People have been injured or killed at gun shows.
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RE: Gun Control Crowd Safer? - and a control group
January 21, 2020 at 8:22 am
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Quote:There is over a 100 shows a year at different venues - and the have been going on for over 75 years.
There has never been an incident to my knowledge - and I have asked.
Maybe you should have done a web search instead of just asking around. I had a wee google and found about a dozen incidents of people being injured or killed at gun shows.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...w/1847879/
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/08/us/08uzi.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/n-...-1.2881423
Plenty more.
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