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RE: Who goes to hell - as far as those pious Bible Christians are concerned?
June 14, 2020 at 8:57 am
In mere reality, you have some aversion to the term, no matter how accurately it describes your presented opinions on the matter of a god.
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RE: Who goes to hell - as far as those pious Bible Christians are concerned?
June 14, 2020 at 9:06 am
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(June 14, 2020 at 8:57 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: In mere reality, you have some aversion to the term, no matter how accurately it describes your presented opinions on the matter of a god.
Like I said, if I actually gave any presuppostionalist arguments for God's existence then you could quote me doing that. You can't quote me doing that because I didn't and if you try to quote what you think is me doing that then we can see that you are making a lot of assumptions that aren't contained within the literal meaning of what I actually said and nothing that I actually said involves an argument for God's existence at all let alone a presupossional one of the kind that I say that we need to assume that God exists to make sense of any sort of evidence or logic at all. I never made any such argument or claim of any such sort.
It would be like if I now said that you have made the claim that all Gods ever claimed to exist by any theist are impossible when you never made any such claim. If you respond by saying that you never actually said that then I could ratte on about how I trust my eyes over you and that you did actually say that and that you just have an aversion to what I'm saying .... but I'd still be making a false claim because you never actually said that which is why I'd be unable to quote you saying it. Then, imagine if you claimed that you're simply not aware of any evidence of God's existence and that you remain unconvinced and I quoted that and said that it means that you are saying that God is impossible. Well, the answer would be that, no, it doesn't mean that and you're not saying that. I could keep saying that that's what you're implying and I'd still be wrong.
That's what you're basically doing to me. Making false claims about stuff I never wrote that you can't quote because I never said it and the best you would be able to do is quote stuff I said that doesn't support your claim that I'm giving presuppostionalist arguments for God and then falsely claim that that's what I'm implying when it isn't.
Like I said, if I actually made any presuppostionalist arguments for God then you would be able to quote me doing that. The reason why you can't quote me doing that is because I haven't done it. You're literally just pretending that I posted things that I didn't post. Mighty unimpressive.
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RE: Who goes to hell - as far as those pious Bible Christians are concerned?
June 14, 2020 at 9:09 am
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I actually don't mind that claim at all. I do think that it's impossible for the gods we created and contained on the printed page to lift themselves up off that page and then retroactively create the world that contains the books, and the people that made the books, that contain them.
We can even test the conjecture. Go grab a magic book, find the god, put your thumb on it, and wait to see if it gets out from under your thumb.
I'm not an agnostic.
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RE: Who goes to hell - as far as those pious Bible Christians are concerned?
June 14, 2020 at 9:10 am
(June 14, 2020 at 8:22 am)UtilitarianDeist Wrote:
(June 13, 2020 at 9:15 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Define god.
An infinitely powerful infinite mind.
What does that mean?
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RE: Who goes to hell - as far as those pious Bible Christians are concerned?
June 14, 2020 at 9:11 am
(June 14, 2020 at 9:10 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (June 14, 2020 at 8:22 am)UtilitarianDeist Wrote:
An infinitely powerful infinite mind.
What does that mean?
A mind of infinite size that can do absolutely anything metaphysically possible.
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RE: Who goes to hell - as far as those pious Bible Christians are concerned?
June 14, 2020 at 9:13 am
It has a size?
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RE: Who goes to hell - as far as those pious Bible Christians are concerned?
June 14, 2020 at 9:20 am
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(June 14, 2020 at 9:13 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It has a size?
Limitless size.
Unless you consider 'size' to be a finite concept.
In which case I wouldn't know how to describe it to you. But I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of infinity.
For instance, either the universe is finite or it isn't. Likewise, if God exists he's either finite or he isn't. I'm saying he isn't.
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RE: Who goes to hell - as far as those pious Bible Christians are concerned?
June 14, 2020 at 9:22 am
You realize that by applying the label of size that there is no infinity. Just saying, since you’re averse to labels.
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RE: Who goes to hell - as far as those pious Bible Christians are concerned?
June 14, 2020 at 10:19 am
(June 14, 2020 at 9:11 am)UtilitarianDeist Wrote: (June 14, 2020 at 9:10 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: What does that mean?
A mind of infinite size that can do absolutely anything metaphysically possible.
And you believe that because you can demonstrate it to be true, right? Right?
RIGHT?
Of course you can't.
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RE: Who goes to hell - as far as those pious Bible Christians are concerned?
June 14, 2020 at 10:24 am
Another instance of how words work. You can bicker all day long with words, but that's all you'll be doing.
Believe in an infinite mind, believe in this god thing you have in your non-infinite mind, that's fine. It has no size. It can fit in an acorn and it can exceed the entire universe. Size is a nonsensical description of the object you're referring to.
If that sounds like it doesn't make sense, oh well, another mystery of god.
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