There is no justice...... RBG RIP!

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Thanks for explaining it, BrianSoddingBoru4.

Could I trouble you to explain it to the U.S. Democratic Party?

I’ll get right on that.

Not for nothing, but if I were running that party with control of the House,  there would be a weekly impeachment resolution sent to the Senate. Send a message that you don’t just fight the fights you can win. You fight the fights that need fighting.

Boru

[Brian37]

Thanks for explaining it, BrianSoddingBoru4.

Could I trouble you to explain it to the U.S. Democratic Party?

I’ll get right on that.

Not for nothing, but if I were running that party with control of the House,  there would be a weekly impeachment resolution sent to the Senate. Send a message that you don’t just fight the fights you can win. You fight the fights that need fighting.

Boru

@ Boru

The point of being tactical and avoiding some fights and not others, isn't to give up, but to be tactical.

The first impeachment proved that the GOP didn't give a shit. They are not the party of Nixon. If they had been, Trump would be out. The problem with trying it again, is not about fighting the GOP in Congress, but how swing voters will react in November. I think it is far more important to focus on beating Trump in November. We have far more recourse if Biden wins and we take back the Senate. Now if you want to say another impeachment attempt after Biden wins, before he takes office, that would be less dangerous. But I think doing it now could turn off a ton of swing voters.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I’ll get right on that.

Not for nothing, but if I were running that party with control of the House,  there would be a weekly impeachment resolution sent to the Senate. Send a message that you don’t just fight the fights you can win. You fight the fights that need fighting.

Boru

@ Boru

The point of being tactical and avoiding some fights and not others, isn't to give up, but to be tactical.

The first impeachment proved that the GOP didn't give a shit. They are not the party of Nixon. If they had been, Trump would be out. The problem with trying it again, is not about fighting the GOP in Congress, but how swing voters will react in November. I think it is far more important to focus on beating Trump in November. We have far more recourse if Biden wins and we take back the Senate. Now if you want to say another impeachment attempt after Biden wins, before he takes office, that would be less dangerous. But I think doing it now could turn off a ton of swing voters.

It’s not tactical, it’s spineless.

Of course the GOP don’t give a shit. But, at this point, it isn’t about removing Trump from office. It’s about Democrats calling attention to GOP hypocrisy over the SCOTUS nomination and blocking it. Trump has committed a raft of offenses for which he has not been impeached. If they wait until after the election, it’s going to be too late - Trump’s nominee will be confirmed by his lapdog Senate.

Fuck the swing voters. 

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

Particularly if the swing voters are the reason that we're swinging into collapse. I don't think that we're ready to accept our swing voters for what they are, no matter how many times they tell us.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

All ‘swing voter’ actually means is people who haven’t decided whether or not to vote in the first place. The traditional notion that elections outcomes are decided by the 15% of registered voters haven’t decide who to vote for isn’t supportable.

Boru

[Brian37]

@ Boru

The point of being tactical and avoiding some fights and not others, isn't to give up, but to be tactical.

The first impeachment proved that the GOP didn't give a shit. They are not the party of Nixon. If they had been, Trump would be out. The problem with trying it again, is not about fighting the GOP in Congress, but how swing voters will react in November. I think it is far more important to focus on beating Trump in November. We have far more recourse if Biden wins and we take back the Senate. Now if you want to say another impeachment attempt after Biden wins, before he takes office, that would be less dangerous. But I think doing it now could turn off a ton of swing voters.

It’s not tactical, it’s spineless.

Of course the GOP don’t give a shit. But, at this point, it isn’t about removing Trump from office. It’s about Democrats calling attention to GOP hypocrisy over the SCOTUS nomination and blocking it. Trump has committed a raft of offenses for which he has not been impeached. If they wait until after the election, it’s going to be too late - Trump’s nominee will be confirmed by his lapdog Senate.

Fuck the swing voters. 

Boru

No it is not spineless.

Japan's Imperial Army lost because it's had an all or nothing tactic. They stupidly thought volume would do the trick. In many battles in the Pacific the Allies/ Americans were outnumbered, and many times we were. But we still won, because of tactics.


The only viable tactic right now I see that can put us back on the right track is VOTING. The GOP in congress are unreasonable. A Trump loss in November and taking over Senate will put us in a far better position than to risk alienating voters now.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It’s not tactical, it’s spineless.

Of course the GOP don’t give a shit. But, at this point, it isn’t about removing Trump from office. It’s about Democrats calling attention to GOP hypocrisy over the SCOTUS nomination and blocking it. Trump has committed a raft of offenses for which he has not been impeached. If they wait until after the election, it’s going to be too late - Trump’s nominee will be confirmed by his lapdog Senate.

Fuck the swing voters. 

Boru

No it is not spineless.

Japan's Imperial Army lost because it's had an all or nothing tactic. They stupidly thought volume would do the trick. In many battles in the Pacific the Allies/ Americans were outnumbered, and many times we were. But we still won, because of tactics.


The only viable tactic right now I see that can put us back on the right track is VOTING. The GOP in congress are unreasonable. A Trump loss in November and taking over Senate will put us in a far better position than to risk alienating voters now.

Of course it's spineless.  When you turn your back on an obligation that is both legal and moral in the hope of political gain, it is the very definition of spineless.

Japan lost because they badly underestimated the US reaction to the attack on Pearl Harbor. There was no 'all or nothing tactic'. There wasn't even an all or nothing strategy. 

There aren't enough voters to alienate that would affect the outcome of the election. The biggest effect of another impeachment would be to increase voter turnout.  Since it would increase on both sides, it's a wash.

Boru

[Brian37]

No it is not spineless.

Japan's Imperial Army lost because it's had an all or nothing tactic. They stupidly thought volume would do the trick. In many battles in the Pacific the Allies/ Americans were outnumbered, and many times we were. But we still won, because of tactics.


The only viable tactic right now I see that can put us back on the right track is VOTING. The GOP in congress are unreasonable. A Trump loss in November and taking over Senate will put us in a far better position than to risk alienating voters now.

Of course it's spineless.  When you turn your back on an obligation that is both legal and moral in the hope of political gain, it is the very definition of spineless.

Japan lost because they badly underestimated the US reaction to the attack on Pearl Harbor. There was no 'all or nothing tactic'. There wasn't even an all or nothing strategy. 

There aren't enough voters to alienate that would affect the outcome of the election. The biggest effect of another impeachment would be to increase voter turnout.  Since it would increase on both sides, it's a wash.

Boru

"Live to fight another day" IS NOT SPINLESS, it is tactical.

Japan lost because they took an all or nothing approach. Hitler lost because he took an all or nothing approach.

Japan's  and Hitler's military were BRAVE(not to be confused for being right) but in that they all thought they were fighting for the right thing. I am glad they were wrong.

The allies won because they picked their battles, and thought about tactics. 

Attempting another impeachment at this point is political suicide. If you want Trump out of office NOVEMBER is our shot. 

Even in issues of rape, a therapist is going to tell anyone, who survived by fighting back, or by short term submission, if they get out of it an survive, neither tactic is wrong. If you survive by doing either, that means the tactic worked. 

I don't see any good in another attempt at impeaching Trump after failing to do so the first time as leading to anything of benefit.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Of course it's spineless.  When you turn your back on an obligation that is both legal and moral in the hope of political gain, it is the very definition of spineless.

Japan lost because they badly underestimated the US reaction to the attack on Pearl Harbor. There was no 'all or nothing tactic'. There wasn't even an all or nothing strategy. 

There aren't enough voters to alienate that would affect the outcome of the election. The biggest effect of another impeachment would be to increase voter turnout.  Since it would increase on both sides, it's a wash.

Boru

"Live to fight another day" IS NOT SPINLESS, it is tactical.

Japan lost because they took an all or nothing approach. Hitler lost because he took an all or nothing approach.

Japan's  and Hitler's military were BRAVE(not to be confused for being right) but in that they all thought they were fighting for the right thing. I am glad they were wrong.

The allies won because they picked their battles, and thought about tactics. 

Attempting another impeachment at this point is political suicide. If you want Trump out of office NOVEMBER is our shot. 

Even in issues of rape, a therapist is going to tell anyone, who survived by fighting back, or by short term submission, if they get out of it an survive, neither tactic is wrong. If you survive by doing either, that means the tactic worked. 

I don't see any good in another attempt at impeaching Trump after failing to do so the first time as leading to anything of benefit.

For the third fucking time, the goal of another impeachment would NOT be to remove Trump from office. I've already explained what the benefits of another impeachment would be.  Should I explain it to you again?

Boru

[Brian37]

"Live to fight another day" IS NOT SPINLESS, it is tactical.

Japan lost because they took an all or nothing approach. Hitler lost because he took an all or nothing approach.

Japan's  and Hitler's military were BRAVE(not to be confused for being right) but in that they all thought they were fighting for the right thing. I am glad they were wrong.

The allies won because they picked their battles, and thought about tactics. 

Attempting another impeachment at this point is political suicide. If you want Trump out of office NOVEMBER is our shot. 

Even in issues of rape, a therapist is going to tell anyone, who survived by fighting back, or by short term submission, if they get out of it an survive, neither tactic is wrong. If you survive by doing either, that means the tactic worked. 

I don't see any good in another attempt at impeaching Trump after failing to do so the first time as leading to anything of benefit.

I've already explained what the benefits of another impeachment would be.  Should I explain it to you again?

Boru

I disagree. I think trying to impeach him again would look to far too many in the middle as desperation, not tactic.


If Biden wins, and we flip the Senate and keep the House, we will be in a far better position to correct the disaster Trump has caused.