Chauvin Murder Trial

[Duty]

Did it ever occur to you that systemic racism may be the reason for this appearance? 
Boru

Yes, it has occurred to me many times, but I dismiss it as conspiracy theory rhetoric, especially when contrasted with the logical, rational explanation I detailed in the post of mine you quoted.

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Wrong - I've never denied there're SOME racial issues in American policing.....the main one being that black looking Americans appear to commit vastly more crime per capita than other "races," and the fallout from that discrepancy. 

Let's see now, why might black looking Americans be more prone to crime....maybe because many of them're furious at "white looking America/the establishment" for slavery/segregation etc, so there's nothing many black looking Americans like more than "sticking it to the man" by enthusiastically breaking as many laws and committing as much crime as possible - makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Black people - particularly Black men - are more often targeted by cops, more likely to be convicted and given harsher sentences by courts.

Boru

I'm not denying there is some data in support of this effect - I contend however that the effect is relatively small and in no way is anywhere near large enough to explain the HUGE disparity RE "race" of the imprisoned in America. Stereotyping.....we all do it.....even the police....unfortunately for some types of stereotyping there's another word for it beginning with "R."

[The Grand Nudger]

Nobody cares about the whites anymore.

Minorities don't commit more crimes, they don't even appear to commit more crimes. They're more heavily policed. This is a known known. You could fill an entire prison with the narcotics charges you'd net if you dredged a gated community. This is exactly what the anxiously white fear. Being treated like the other guy, because they know the outcome of that.

[Pat Mustard]

Wrong - I've never denied there're SOME racial issues in American policing.....the main one being that black looking Americans appear to commit vastly more crime per capita than other "races," and the fallout from that discrepancy. 

Let's see now, why might black looking Americans be more prone to crime....maybe because many of them're furious at "white looking America/the establishment" for slavery/segregation etc, so there's nothing many black looking Americans like more than "sticking it to the man" by enthusiastically breaking as many laws and committing as much crime as possible - makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

(bold mine)

Did it ever occur to you that systemic racism may be the reason for this appearance? Black people - particularly Black men - are more often targeted by cops, more likely to be convicted and given harsher sentences by courts.

Since their Supreme Court decided that 'innocence is no bar to conviction', it's been that much easier to railroad minorities into prison, whether they are guilty or not.

Boru

The full quote from Antonin Scalia, murderer, is:

“There is no basis, tradition, or even in contemporary practice for finding that in the Constitution the right to demand judicial consideration of newly discovered evidence of innocence brought forward after a conviction.”

And all because letting the innocent go free was to him an "embarrassing question". I'm against capital punishment, but in this case I think I can make an exception for a man who ushered thousands to their deaths because he didn't want to be embarrassed by admitting that courts could be wrong.

[Brian37]

Right now Chauvin's defense lawyer is crossing a police officer. He just asked if a person is handcuffed behind the back, can they still kick and harm an officer. Not the fucking point. That still does not excuse putting your knee on the perp's neck for 9 minutes. Yestereday Chauvin's own supervisor said the force went too far for far too long.

[Rev. Rye]

Nobody cares about the whites anymore.

Minorities don't commit more crimes, they don't even appear to commit more crimes. They're more heavily policed. This is a known known. You could fill an entire prison with the narcotics charges you'd net if you dredged a gated community. This is exactly what the anxiously white fear. Being treated like the other guy, because they know the outcome of that.

And you'd think heavy policing of black communities wold create the illusion of black people committing more crimes, y'know, what with every potential misdemeanor getting scrutinised in a way white communities rarely, if ever, are. And because of this illusion, the cycle becomes self-sustaining.

[Duty]

Nobody cares about the whites anymore.  

I never said that, so you're calling a straw man a wanker. Also, and most entertainingly IMO, your hypocrisy in posting that sentence and emoji, given that your entire narrative on this issue can be summed up perfectly well by paraphrasing you as saying:

Society/nobody cares about blacks!   

Which is virtually identical in its stupidity to the view you ridicule in the quote!   

[The Architect Of Fate]

Wrong - I've never denied there're SOME racial issues in American policing.....the main one being that black looking Americans appear to commit vastly more crime per capita than other "races," and the fallout from that discrepancy. 

No instead you just shift the blame to the victims of those issues which is actually worst. Blacks don't commit vastly more crimes the cops LOOK for more black crimes under the assumption they commit more crimes.

Let's see now, why might black looking Americans be more prone to crime....maybe because many of them're furious at "white looking America/the establishment" for slavery/segregation etc, so there's nothing many black looking Americans like more than "sticking it to the man" by enthusiastically breaking as many laws and committing as much crime as possible - makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Blacks are not more prone to crimes, And the rest of this is just nonsense born of your delusions of how African Americans think.

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Nobody cares about the whites anymore.  

Minorities don't commit more crimes, they don't even appear to commit more crimes.  They're more heavily policed.  This is a known known.  You could fill an entire prison with the narcotics charges you'd net if you dredged a gated community.  This is exactly what the anxiously white fear.  Being treated like the other guy, because they know the outcome of that.

Truth 


I also like how his only comeback is to mock your first sentence and not actually address your point.

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I'm not denying there is some data in support of this effect - I contend however that the effect is relatively small and in no way is anywhere near large enough to explain the HUGE disparity RE "race" of the imprisoned in America. Stereotyping.....we all do it.....even the police....unfortunately for some types of stereotyping there's another word for it beginning with "R."

The effect is not small and it more than accounts for it , And it's certainly is more supported than your "blacks are just angry and want to commit crimes to stick it to whitey "  "theory"

[Aegon]

Nobody cares about the whites anymore.  

Minorities don't commit more crimes, they don't even appear to commit more crimes.  They're more heavily policed.  This is a known known.  You could fill an entire prison with the narcotics charges you'd net if you dredged a gated community.  This is exactly what the anxiously white fear.  Being treated like the other guy, because they know the outcome of that.

The only reason I'm not in prison is because I'm white and grew up in a town where the only policing was speed traps on the highway. 

From age 16 to 21 I almost always had weed, speed, and/or meth on me. Not once was I ever stopped randomly on the street. Not once was I ever arrested. I once walked past a cop with an 8-ball on me and they just waved and smiled.

I know for a fact that if I had a darker skin tone and grew up in a more heavily policed area, I'd be serving years in prison instead.

[Brian37]

Nobody cares about the whites anymore.  

Minorities don't commit more crimes, they don't even appear to commit more crimes.  They're more heavily policed.  This is a known known.  You could fill an entire prison with the narcotics charges you'd net if you dredged a gated community.  This is exactly what the anxiously white fear.  Being treated like the other guy, because they know the outcome of that.

The only reason I'm not in prison is because I'm white and grew up in a town where the only policing was speed traps on the highway. 

From age 16 to 21 I almost always had weed, speed, and/or meth on me. Not once was I ever stopped randomly on the street. Not once was I ever arrested. I once walked past a cop with an 8-ball on me and they just waved and smiled.

I know for a fact that if I had a darker skin tone and grew up in a more heavily policed area, I'd be serving years in prison instead.

If you had the skin tone of Neil Degrasse Tyson under your own parameters, you'd be doing hard time.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's more likely IMO that the officer who was pressing on his back, thereby preventing him from inhaling, as with the killing of Tony Timpa (who nobody much gives a shit about, compared to this case, due to Timpa being white looking, BTW)

Not my fault you can't remember the shit you say, and I guess we can't all be south park fans.