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RE: Pipeline affecting most of the east coast.
May 11, 2021 at 3:34 pm
(May 11, 2021 at 2:42 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (May 11, 2021 at 2:23 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Except Alaska.....
The prices are alway high there. Frequently the highest.
In spite of having the lowest ratio of consumption to production of crude.
Reason?
No refineries.
All gas is first shipped to the lower 48 as crude, refined, then shipped back.. A remnant of Cold War geopolitical concern. It would be much more economic to put the refineries in Alaska, refine the crude there, and ship the intermediate and final product to the lower 48 rather to ship the crude to the lower 48 for refining.
But Alaska was too close to Russia. Growth an vital refining industry in Alaska was thought to make the US more susceptible to Soviet blackmail. That's a small part of it.
The big parts were WWII then NIMBY.
They did not want the Japanese to be able to capture refineries - so they didn' t build them.
Post WWII the locals just did not want the mess of refineries there.
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RE: Pipeline affecting most of the east coast.
May 11, 2021 at 3:35 pm
(May 11, 2021 at 3:34 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: (May 11, 2021 at 2:42 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: A remnant of Cold War geopolitical concern. It would be much more economic to put the refineries in Alaska, refine the crude there, and ship the intermediate and final product to the lower 48 rather to ship the crude to the lower 48 for refining.
But Alaska was too close to Russia. Growth an vital refining industry in Alaska was thought to make the US more susceptible to Soviet blackmail. That's a small part of it.
The big parts were WWII then NIMBY.
They did not want the Japanese to be able to capture refineries - so they didn' t build them.
Post WWII the locals just did not want the mess of refineries there.
The bulk of oil Alaska’s oil reserve wasn’t discovered until 1968.
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RE: Pipeline affecting most of the east coast.
May 11, 2021 at 3:44 pm
(May 11, 2021 at 3:35 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (May 11, 2021 at 3:34 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: That's a small part of it.
The big parts were WWII then NIMBY.
They did not want the Japanese to be able to capture refineries - so they didn' t build them.
Post WWII the locals just did not want the mess of refineries there.
The bulk of oil Alaska’s oil reserve wasn’t discovered until 1968.
Yup.. The NSB...
BUT - there were other major fields on the Kenai back in the 50s... And smaller ones that would have been enough for local use before statehood. Keep in mind the population was scant at that time...
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RE: Pipeline affecting most of the east coast.
May 13, 2021 at 2:33 pm
Pretty sad that the government has to post warnings for people not to fill plastic bags with gas.
It is like they think Fire Marshall Bill is their God.
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RE: Pipeline affecting most of the east coast.
May 13, 2021 at 2:57 pm
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(May 13, 2021 at 2:33 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Pretty sad that the government has to post warnings for people not to fill plastic bags with gas.
It is like they think Fire Marshall Bill is their God.
What’s funny is that the same people storing petrol in plastic bags are likely the same sort of people who won’t get a COVID vaccination because it’s ‘too dangerous’.
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RE: Pipeline affecting most of the east coast.
May 13, 2021 at 3:01 pm
They're also the same people collecting welfare while voting for politicians who gut it and calling all of their friends family and neighbors a bunch of lazy pieces of shit.
It's a death cult. Death by stupid.
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RE: Pipeline affecting most of the east coast.
May 13, 2021 at 3:06 pm
(May 13, 2021 at 3:01 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: They're also the same people collecting welfare while voting for politicians who gut it and calling all of their friends family and neighbors a bunch of lazy pieces of shit.
It's a death cult. Death by stupid.
If only they could hurry things along.
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RE: Pipeline affecting most of the east coast.
May 13, 2021 at 3:13 pm
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They're accelerationists...they just can't make it go any faster...because they're stupid.
What most of them will learn from this is that gas pipelines break under the dems watch.
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RE: Pipeline affecting most of the east coast.
May 13, 2021 at 3:22 pm
(May 13, 2021 at 3:13 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: They're accelerationists...they just can't make it go any faster...because they're stupid.
What most of them will learn from this is that gas pipelines break under the dems watch.
Even though nothing happened to the pipeline, yeah, that’ll be their take away.
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RE: Pipeline affecting most of the east coast.
May 13, 2021 at 3:37 pm
Oops - gotta run fill up the baggies I have stashed in the cupboard for just such an emergency.
I don't travel much so a Ziploc or two should last me a week.
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