Dinosaurs Weren't in the Bible...They Never Even Existed.

[The Grand Nudger]

There's no logical proof that the sun is the source of light and heat in our solar system either Stat. Time to get skeptical! Firstly, your version of what constitutes logic is a joke, secondly, problems of logic are problems of logic, not problems of evidence. I'm going to go ahead and side with the sun on this one. Just like you do (except in those moments that you log onto AF to troll).

[Faith No More]

Special pleading for dinosaurs? You do realize the fossil record has verifiable evidence of dinosaurs and there is absolutely nothing of the sort for god, right?

[thesummerqueen]

If you want to play that game - where's your direct observation that anything in the Bible happened? Or anything god does?

We are not talking about the Bible, we are talking about Dinosaurs. If you are going to not believe in the Bible because of lack of direct observation then where is your direct observation of dinosaurs since you do believe in them? Fair is fair.

You made the statement equating skepticism about god with skepticism about dinosaurs. The bible has to do with things god supposedly did. I can't believe how deliberately ignorant you're being. I can directly observe the byproduct of the remains of dinosaurs. I cannot directly observe the byproduct of a divine being - unless you have something new to show me.

No usually skeptics ask for “proof” of God’s existence, which means they want a sound logical syllogism for the existence of God, I have seen no such syllogism for the existence of dinosaurs; it’s special pleading.

I asked for evidence of both, not arguments. I'm not interested in mental masturbation. I'm not making any sort of special pleading. We have evidence of dinosaurs. WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR GOD?

I made it very clear that this was an exercise; I was going to play the part of the skeptic and play the same games you guys play concerning the existence of God. I find it a bit amusing you thought I was stupid when I was acting like you always do. There still is no sound logical proof for the existence of dinosaurs, so why do you still believe in them?

Big. Fucking. Fossils.

Actually many secular scientists do not believe those are actual proteins because proteins cannot survive for millions of years. You are starting to sound like a young earth creationist now.

Really? Cite that.

Reading comprehension is clearly not your strong point gramps.

Quit projecting.

What punishment? You guys totally got whipped on that one. You pointed to some rocks and asserted, “See these prove that dragon-like creatures ruled the earth millions of years ago! You see this 4th grade textbook agrees with me!” Where is the direct observation? Where are the logical syllogisms? You guys failed to live up to your own stink test and it was hilarious.

Where's your "direct observation" that the flood happened?

Layers upon layers of evidence put down, studied...and completely misunderstood by the voluntarily blind.

For the record: saying that you can't observe fossilization taking place, therefore you can't trust that fossils are real, is not the same as saying "I've never seen/felt a divine presence once in my life but I might as well accept that it's real because gosh, there's all this evidence laying around all adding up to its existence..." Fail. There isn't a shred of evidence for God. Meanwhile, we continue to dig up fossils. Fossils, numbnuts - not rocks.

I'd be perfectly willing to accept the existence of God if you could provide me evidence. Fair's fair. But no one's done it yet.


I'm done with this at least until I get back from school. You are purposely ignoring anything we set in front of you because the second you take any of it into account your own rebuttals hold no water.

[chadster1976]

Oh, YECtard!

If you want to read about radioactive isotope dating methods and study the physics behind them, then look at rock formations and strata and study the science behind them, then study the mineralization of bones and fossil formation, then look at continental movement and STILL tell me that the Earth is 6 thousand years old and there were never any dinosaurs...
I know all I need to about your methods of critical enquiry.

You cannot dismiss mountains of evidence and study by simply saying "show me the evidence". It's all in front of you, if you only care to open your wonderfully evolved eyes!

[Statler Waldorf]

I want to see a God fossil. Now, goddammit.

Why? Fossils are the only way you determine what exists and what doesn't? You must not think humans exist then because we do not have any fossils of them.

Difference being that there is proof of dinosaurs, so it doesn't really work.

Hey 5th,

…but that’s the whole point, you can’t prove dinosaurs existed. Not in the same sense of the word proof as atheists demand for God. Atheists always demand a sound logical syllogism for the existence of God, yet I have not seen a sound logical syllogism for the existence of dinosaurs. Why is that?

There's no logical proof that the sun is the source of light and heat in our solar system either Stat.

Then why do you still believe it is yet demand logical proof for God’s existence? Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Special pleading for dinosaurs? You do realize the fossil record has verifiable evidence of dinosaurs and there is absolutely nothing of the sort for god, right?

I have already pointed out that it is only evidence because you want it to be, a skeptic can look at it and say, “Rocks that look like bones proves dragon-like creatures existed? C’mon!”

You made the statement equating skepticism about god with skepticism about dinosaurs. The bible has to do with things god supposedly did. I can't believe how deliberately ignorant you're being. I can directly observe the byproduct of the remains of dinosaurs. I cannot directly observe the byproduct of a divine being - unless you have something new to show me.

You can observe all of creation and it is the byproduct of God, so what’s your point?

I asked for evidence of both, not arguments. I'm not interested in mental masturbation. I'm not making any sort of special pleading. We have evidence of dinosaurs. WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR GOD?

Christians point to evidence for God all the time, but atheists arbitrarily reject such evidence, so I am merely arbitrarily rejecting your evidence for dinosaurs. It’s kind of annoying isn’t it?

Big. Fucking. Fossils.

You mean big rocks that look like bones right?

Really? Cite that.

Cite what?

Quit projecting.

I do fine with comprehension, he is constantly messing it up though.

Where's your "direct observation" that the flood happened?

I don’t need direct observation, I believe in both dinosaurs and the flood based on evidence. It is you guys that are being inconsistent by asking more from the Christian concerning God than you do from Dinosaur believers concerning dinosaurs. That’s the whole point here.

Fail. There isn't a shred of evidence for God. Meanwhile, we continue to dig up fossils. Fossils, numbnuts - not rocks.

Prove they are not just rocks, until you can observe that they are indeed created the way you claim they are you have no proof at all. We are talking about science here, direct observation and repeatability, not story telling.

I'd be perfectly willing to accept the existence of God if you could provide me evidence. Fair's fair. But no one's done it yet.

Set the bar first, what evidence would you accept?

I'm done with this at least until I get back from school. You are purposely ignoring anything we set in front of you because the second you take any of it into account your own rebuttals hold no water.

Now you know how I feel talking to you guys! This has been a useful exercise.

Oh, YECtard!

If you want to read about radioactive isotope dating methods and study the physics behind them, then look at rock formations and strata and study the science behind them, then study the mineralization of bones and fossil formation, then look at continental movement and STILL tell me that the Earth is 6 thousand years old and there were never any dinosaurs...
I know all I need to about your methods of critical enquiry.

Please give me the direct observation of this process ever occurring so I can study it my friend.

You cannot dismiss mountains of evidence and study by simply saying "show me the evidence".

Why not? Rhythm does it all the time.

[Erinome]

I want to see a God fossil. Now, goddammit.

Why? Fossils are the only way you determine what exists and what doesn't? You must not think humans exist then because we do not have any fossils of them.

No, moron. I was saying that fossils are how we have established that dinosaurs exist, and there is astounding evidence for the existence of dinosaurs, especially in comparison with god.

AND

WTF do you mean we don't have fossils of humans?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hum...on_fossils

Not that we need them to know humans exist! Wow. Are you drunk? Please say you are.

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't demand logical proof of gods existence Stat. I'm amused that there isn't any, nevertheless what I demand is evidence. So go strawman somebody who doesn't enjoy calling you on your bullshit as much as me.

[Cinjin]

Please tell me you're not that stupid. Seriously, if you'll believe that skulls are rocks than you'll believe the world is flat and held up by pillars.

I am pretending to be a dinosaur skeptic by arguing like an atheist, if you think it is stupid then that’s pretty funny because you use the same form of argumentation against the existence of God.

oh thank god! I thought you were being serious about skulls actually being rocks. I'm glad to hear you're just playing devil's advocate ... I was really a bit concerned that you were going to need hospitalization cause you had officially lost your mind.


*whew*

[tuxcomputers]

Big. Fucking. Fossils.

You mean big rocks that look like bones right?

If there was a single rock (or even just a couple of dozen) that just happened to look like a bone then I would agree with you that rocks that look like bones would not be evidence for dinosaurs.

However there are hundreds and thousands of fossils, these aren't just random rocks that people bring in off the street. A theory requires that it is able to make predictions, there are people that study fossils, make predictions that they should be able to dig in a certain area and find certain fossils.

When they do that low and behold they do not just find random rocks that happen to look like the shapes they are trying to find. They find fossils that look exactly like they predicted.

They do not dig in the ground and create the shapes they want to find, the fossils are structurally different than the surrounding material.

If the rocks were really just random shapes that happen to look like bones then why do we find the same shapes over and over again? Why do the rocks in the same location happen to make the shape of a functional animal instead of a hodge podge?

When you take those factors into account the chances of these "rocks" being random shapes that just happen to look like bones is zero.

Stop asserting that fossils are just rocks that happen to look like bones, you have your evidence that they aren't and your argument falls apart.

[thesummerqueen]

This all revolves around you wanting to apply the same sort of skepticism to both dinosaurs and god. That's what I've been doing all along. There is no special pleading, at least in my case. I won't speak for anyone else - I'm sure they'll be happy to tell you to take your thumb and shove it up your ass.

I accept dinosaurs because there is concrete evidence that we have already discussed. I do not accept god, or any divine being, for the same reason I don't accept bigfoot, or leprechauns, or the Dagda. No one has brought up tangible, credible evidence of any of them.

You know what would make me "believe" in god? Show me a burning bush that isn't consumed by the flame with a voice speaking out of it. Give me a river that we knew was water turned within minutes (I'll give god that long) to blood. Give me these "miracles" spoken of in the bible that DO NOT HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF IT. I need evidence. Not stories.

There is no separation of skepticism. I'm skeptical of things people wrap in science-y terminology because I haven't been shown good evidence in support of it. Hell, I'm skeptical of things my friends say most of the time.

You come back to me with evidence for your god, and I will treat it the same way I treat dinosaurs, and Nessie. Dinos get a "pass" because we have evidence. Nessie gets a fart in her general direction because we don't. In the case of your god, I don't even have the time of day, and never have.

So fuck you very much - you've basically called a good swathe of us dishonest simply because we DID treat your god the same way we treat dinosaurs. I don't care if you want to back-pedal and say you were just 'playing' or not.

You can make as many logical arguments as you want that the sun doesn't shine or that grass ain't green and that sun will still be there when the earth turns and the grass will still have chlorophyll in it. Do the same about your god and dinosaurs. It won't make a lick of difference. Logic is a good servant, but a bad bedfellow. Quit fucking it.