Why did God allow his words to be changed?

[brewer]

Gods words,....... paleeeze. They were mans and always meant to manipulate for power and control.

[Brian37]

Why would an all loving "God" condone an allegedly global flood? Why would this same "God" allow the genocide of WW2?  Why? Because there is no super magical cognition controlling anything. There is just nature, and tribal humans fighting over resources.

Argument from incredulity; you just can't think of why would a deity allow evil.

Vegas Casinos work, because they base their games on ratio of win and loss. There is no business that seeks to lose money, especially a casino. The concept of God is horrid, it wreaks of our own species projective narcissism. Humans need a villain, like Superman needs Lex Luthor or Darth Vader Needs Yoda. 

It isn't an argument on my part for "no rules" or a 'free for all", but just in the context that the idea of morality, compassion and non violence are a patent owned by one religion, one nation or one political party is bullshit. All humans need resources, all humans compete over those resources, and all humans have only one planet to live on.

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One of the most persistent features of the religious tradition, in my observation, is the insistence that not only do we know everything we need to know, but also have all of the information we'll ever need because it was bestowed by the celestial master.

Yet the master (only) source text is rife with cruelties, contradictions, supernatural intervention stories, and promises of eternal bliss and reward for the incessantly credulous.

I believe the question should run more along the line of, "Why are the rest of us still even listening to believers who try to square the circle regarding a holy book's divine provenance?"

So true.

"God did it" is the biggest bullshit scam ever. That argument is like a used car salesman telling you the rust bucket they are trying to pawn off on you is a  Lamborghini when you should know it is a Hindenburg of a blimp going down in flames argument. "OH THE STUPIDITY".

Religion is always trying to fit a square peg into round nonsense. 

Ultimately religion is, like politics and economics and race, are all excuses for humans to justify control.

[The Grand Nudger]

 if God wanted us to have his words (Bible) why did he allow people to change them so that we don't know which are his and which are made up by humans?

Well.....

Maybe god didn't want us to have it's words - maybe god doesn't want at all.
Maybe it did, but..like a common one of us...it wants to see where we'll take the words we crammed in it's mouth after the fact..for the lulz.

It's easy to see why a god like the above isn't satisfying, but it's harder to state declaratively that there's no way a god could be like that. A god could very much be the cosmic village idiot, or the block asshole.

[Angrboda]

If you're a Christian, the corruption of God's word is an inevitable product of the fall, for which the acceptance of Christ into your heart is the endgame.

[brewer]

If you're a Christian, the corruption of God's word is an inevitable product of the fall, for which the acceptance of Christ into your heart is the endgame.

[Fake Messiah]

If you're a Christian, the corruption of God's word is an inevitable product of the fall, for which the acceptance of Christ into your heart is the endgame.

But they can't be certain that there was a fall in the first place because nobody knows what was added to the "original".

Also, how can so-called nondenominational Christians call themselves like that considering that they are using Bible(s) set by denomination (mostly Catholics) who choose which books to worship?

[Mercyvessel]

Bart asks a question: if God wanted us to have his words (Bible) why did he allow people to change them so that we don't know which are his and which are made up by humans?

God made a stupid plan when he expected people to know him only by the Bible because he also let this huge mishap to happen, so now we don't have his words.

Even believers in historical Jesus don't know which words are his and which were added later. Some are known to be later additions, like the story of an adulterous woman, but none can be said with certainty to be said by Jesus.

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We can glean from the Holy Bible - the written word of GOD - that there are those since the foundation of this world - supernatural and then natural- that have been in rebellion against GOD and have made and make ultimately futile efforts to corrupt and frustrate GOD's work (Parable of the wheat and tares - Matthew 13:24-30); something that GOD has declared that He has disposed of in judgment (John 12:31, Jude 1:6)  and will certainly and effectively put an end to in His own time at the end of time. 

So, whether an attempt to obfuscate the holy word comes from a supernatural or natural enemy of GOD over the course of history in an attempt to deceive many, I can tell you that GOD's purposes are never thwarted because "God has spoken once, Twice I have heard this: That power belongs to God." - Psalm 62:11

Very specifically on this subject GOD says, “For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, And do not return there, But water the earth, And make it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower and bread to the eater, So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it." - Isaiah 55:10-11

GOD has been and is still saving people despite all the devised and/or unconscious confusion.
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There is power in the word of GOD:

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." - All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." - 2 Timothy 3:16

"for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." - 2 Peter 1:21

"For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account." - Hebrews 4:12-13

"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." - Romans 10:17

[Angrboda]

Bart asks a question: if God wanted us to have his words (Bible) why did he allow people to change them so that we don't know which are his and which are made up by humans?

God made a stupid plan when he expected people to know him only by the Bible because he also let this huge mishap to happen, so now we don't have his words.

Even believers in historical Jesus don't know which words are his and which were added later. Some are known to be later additions, like the story of an adulterous woman, but none can be said with certainty to be said by Jesus.

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We can glean from the Holy Bible - the written word of GOD - that there are those since the foundation of this world - supernatural and then natural- that have been in rebellion against GOD and have made and make ultimately futile efforts to corrupt and frustrate GOD's work (Parable of the wheat and tares - Matthew 13:24-30); something that GOD has declared that He has disposed of in judgment (John 12:31, Jude 1:6)  and will certainly and effectively put an end to in His own time at the end of time. 

So, whether an attempt to obfuscate the holy word comes from a supernatural or natural enemy of GOD over the course of history in an attempt to deceive many, I can tell you that GOD's purposes are never thwarted because "God has spoken once, Twice I have heard this: That power belongs to God." - Psalm 62:11

Very specifically on this subject GOD says, “For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, And do not return there, But water the earth, And make it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower and bread to the eater, So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it." - Isaiah 55:10-11

GOD has been and is still saving people despite all the devised and/or unconscious confusion.
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There is power in the word of GOD:

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." - All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." - 2 Timothy 3:16

"for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." - 2 Peter 1:21

"For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account." - Hebrews 4:12-13

"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." - Romans 10:17

For an omnipotent being, God sure does make some shittily weak arguments.

[sdelsolray]

Bart asks a question: if God wanted us to have his words (Bible) why did he allow people to change them so that we don't know which are his and which are made up by humans?
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The question assumes, for the purpose of discussion, that the words in the Bible originate from this particular god. The evidence strongly suggests that the words were solely from humans, as are the changes to those words.

[vulcanlogician]

Bart asks a question: if God wanted us to have his words (Bible) why did he allow people to change them so that we don't know which are his and which are made up by humans?

God made a stupid plan when he expected people to know him only by the Bible because he also let this huge mishap to happen, so now we don't have his words.

Even believers in historical Jesus don't know which words are his and which were added later. Some are known to be later additions, like the story of an adulterous woman, but none can be said with certainty to be said by Jesus.

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We can glean from the Holy Bible - the written word of GOD - that there are those since the foundation of this world - supernatural and then natural- that have been in rebellion against GOD and have made and make ultimately futile efforts to corrupt and frustrate GOD's work (Parable of the wheat and tares - Matthew 13:24-30); something that GOD has declared that He has disposed of in judgment (John 12:31, Jude 1:6)  and will certainly and effectively put an end to in His own time at the end of time. 

So, whether an attempt to obfuscate the holy word comes from a supernatural or natural enemy of GOD over the course of history in an attempt to deceive many, I can tell you that GOD's purposes are never thwarted because "God has spoken once, Twice I have heard this: That power belongs to God." - Psalm 62:11

Very specifically on this subject GOD says, “For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, And do not return there, But water the earth, And make it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower and bread to the eater, So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it." - Isaiah 55:10-11

GOD has been and is still saving people despite all the devised and/or unconscious confusion.
---

There is power in the word of GOD:

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." - All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." - 2 Timothy 3:16

"for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." - 2 Peter 1:21

"For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account." - Hebrews 4:12-13

"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." - Romans 10:17

I really really like to have a theist's perspective in any conversation, but you are like a spambot, mercyvessel. Drich's posts amounted to more than yours do, and (you may not know) that's a low bar. Why don't you try to answer objections to the points you make? At least let us know you aren't biblebot30000.

The Bible can be made to say anything. Universal love. Repress all Jews. You name it. I don't mind if you back up what you say with Bible verses (though I'll find the Bible verses part of your argument questionable)... but PLEASE, don't write a bunch of Bible verses as your entire point. C'mon. Please try to understand that we don't take Bible verses as authoritative... THEN make your point.