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If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?

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If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
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#111
RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
August 21, 2021 at 1:11 pm
FSM prefers the term 'humorously mendacious'
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
August 21, 2021 at 2:07 pm (This post was last modified: August 21, 2021 at 2:16 pm by BrianSoddingBoru4.)
(August 21, 2021 at 12:01 pm)Angrboda Wrote:
(August 21, 2021 at 11:58 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: But he has lied, more than once. 

Boru

Not that I doubt you, but could you provide a citation.

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 ‘And for this reason, God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.’

There’s also a bit where God lied to Abraham. After the angels told Abraham that Sarah would have a child, she overheard the conversation and laughed to herself, saying that Abraham was too old to have sex. When God spoke to Abraham about it, he reported that she said she was the one who was too old conceive a child.


Other examples. God’s just a big ol’ Fibber McFibberface.

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#113
RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
August 21, 2021 at 3:45 pm
(August 21, 2021 at 11:19 am)Mashmont Wrote:
(August 21, 2021 at 11:08 am)brewer Wrote: God(s) exist only as a concept imagined by the human mind, the same as Superman.

So gravity is just a concept imagined by the human mind as well?

No.

Please provide concrete evidence that gravity was created by god(s) and not part of existence of nature. If you claim god(s) created nature (universe) provide the evidence.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
August 21, 2021 at 3:51 pm (This post was last modified: August 21, 2021 at 3:51 pm by Mashmont.)
(August 21, 2021 at 3:45 pm)brewer Wrote:
(August 21, 2021 at 11:19 am)Mashmont Wrote: So gravity is just a concept imagined by the human mind as well?

No.

Please provide concrete evidence that gravity was created by god(s) and not part of existence of nature. If you claim god(s) created nature (universe) provide the evidence.

Please provide concrete evidence that God was created by men as was your claim.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
August 21, 2021 at 4:01 pm
(August 21, 2021 at 3:51 pm)Mashmont Wrote:
(August 21, 2021 at 3:45 pm)brewer Wrote: No.

Please provide concrete evidence that gravity was created by god(s) and not part of existence of nature. If you claim god(s) created nature (universe) provide the evidence.

Please provide concrete evidence that God was created by men as was your claim.

Lack of concrete evidence that god exists is enough (proof of a negative). But it does exist as a mental construct, imagine, fantasy, delusion, .......

Stop dogging and supply your evidence for god.
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#116
RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
August 21, 2021 at 4:09 pm
(August 21, 2021 at 4:01 pm)brewer Wrote:
(August 21, 2021 at 3:51 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Please provide concrete evidence that God was created by men as was your claim.

Lack of concrete evidence that god exists is enough (proof of a negative). But it does exist as a mental construct, imagine, fantasy, delusion, .......

Stop dogging and supply your evidence for god.

No wait.  You made a positive claim that man created God.  Now you have to prove it.
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#117
RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
August 21, 2021 at 4:11 pm
There is evidence that supports brewer's conclusion.
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
August 21, 2021 at 4:12 pm (This post was last modified: August 21, 2021 at 4:12 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You're right, that isn't proven that man created god..everything should stop there....?
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#119
RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
August 21, 2021 at 4:14 pm
Quote:No wait.  You made a positive claim that man created God.  Now you have to prove it.
Humans throughout history have invented gods and supernatural entities we know are likely not real. Why should the Christain god be considered any different?
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RE: If god can't lie, does that mean he can't do everything?
August 21, 2021 at 4:17 pm
(August 21, 2021 at 4:14 pm)Helios Wrote:
Quote:No wait.  You made a positive claim that man created God.  Now you have to prove it.
Humans throughout history have invented gods and supernatural entities we know are likely not real. Why should the Christain god be considered any different?

Well, because this One rose from the dead.
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