Biden's Victory Speech

[WinterHold]

You're the one calling "Hitler" pragmatic, and treating the ethnic cleansing of Jews and gypsies as a "pragmatic deed", and I quote here where you did that:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-63256-p...pid2059043


You're the one calling "mass murder a "pragmatic solution" !

I know what I said. Under the definition you provided, yes, it was pragmatic. What I want to know is if you think it was 'decent and wise'.

Try to think of it like this: Per your definition, pragmatism may be thought of as the plan most likely to lead to the achievement of a particular goal. I'm trying to get you to understand that if the goal is an horrific one, pragmatism cannot be either decent or wise.

Kindly stop dodging the question.

Boru

https://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/..._Ethic.htm

Pragmatism rejects any form of absolutism and universality of thought.  Pragmatism fosters a form of relativism. Pragmatism in ethics rejects the idea that there is any universal ethical principle or universal value.  It holds for ethical principles being social constructs to be evaluated in terms of their usefullness.

Putting these words to be my context; Hitler rejected ethics after WW1's defeat and followed his OCD instead, he wasn't Pragmatic at all (because a real Pragmatic person will look at the result of their actions, and refer to history as a resource supporting his actions); just like this verse from the Quran:

Sura 40, The Quran:
https://quran.com/40:21?store=false&translations=

(21) And have they not traveled in the earth and so (could) look into how was the end of the ones who were before them? They were stronger (Literally: more valiant, more strict) in power than themselves and (left) more tracks in the earth; yet Allah took them (away) for their guilty (deeds), and in no way did they have any protector from Allah.
— Dr. Ghali 

Hitler wasn't "pragmatic" because he simply ignored history, ignored the authentic tales about stronger,mightier nations collapsing once "extremism" flows in their ranks.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I know what I said. Under the definition you provided, yes, it was pragmatic. What I want to know is if you think it was 'decent and wise'.

Try to think of it like this: Per your definition, pragmatism may be thought of as the plan most likely to lead to the achievement of a particular goal. I'm trying to get you to understand that if the goal is an horrific one, pragmatism cannot be either decent or wise.

Kindly stop dodging the question.

Boru

https://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/..._Ethic.htm

Pragmatism rejects any form of absolutism and universality of thought.  Pragmatism fosters a form of relativism. Pragmatism in ethics rejects the idea that there is any universal ethical principle or universal value.  It holds for ethical principles being social constructs to be evaluated in terms of their usefullness.

Putting these words to be my context; Hitler rejected ethics after WW1's defeat and followed his OCD instead, he wasn't Pragmatic at all (because a real Pragmatic person will look at the result of their actions, and refer to history as a resource supporting his actions); just like this verse from the Quran:

Sura 40, The Quran:
https://quran.com/40:21?store=false&translations=

(21) And have they not traveled in the earth and so (could) look into how was the end of the ones who were before them? They were stronger (Literally: more valiant, more strict) in power than themselves and (left) more tracks in the earth; yet Allah took them (away) for their guilty (deeds), and in no way did they have any protector from Allah.
— Dr. Ghali 

Hitler wasn't "pragmatic" because he simply ignored history, ignored the authentic tales about stronger,mightier nations collapsing once "extremism" flows in their ranks.

If you read these things you write after you post them, do you ever get the feeling that your meds are betraying you?

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]

Hitler wasn't "pragmatic" because he simply ignored history, ignored the authentic tales about stronger,mightier nations collapsing once "extremism" flows in their ranks.

No he didn't ignore history you are 

Putting these words to be my context; Hitler rejected ethics after WW1's defeat and followed his OCD instead, he wasn't Pragmatic at all (because a real Pragmatic person will look at the result of their actions, and refer to history as a resource supporting his actions); just like this verse from the Quran:

If the goal is wiping people out. Then history shows that works 

[WinterHold]

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Boru

[The Architect Of Fate]