Alec Baldwin Shooting

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Just as an aside: 37 and I went to a helluva lot to trouble to derail this into a Weird Al/Nirvana thread, and you lot just had to go and get it right back on topic. Sheesh.

Boru

[brewer]

No, but if you are the owner of the rental company it matters. As much as I feel for Alec, he was the rental car company owner.

I'm pretty sure the owner of a rental car company pays someone to check the brakes.  The driver who rents the car certainly doesn't.  Yet they hand us the key and say have a great time.

As the driver do you then aim the car at pedestrians, push the accelerator to the floor, not try to change direction and wait till the last minute to hit the brakes?

[The Grand Nudger]

You would if you were an actor or a stunt man believing the set to be safe because you were told by the pros who get paid to ensure that it is..that it was.

Baldwin and the entire production team are going to have a ton of layers of deniability as individuals between themselves and damages, just like the owner of a rental car place.

[Spongebob]

Interesting that gun guys will insist that there are unspoken "rules" to handling firearms (that everyone is just supposed to know and agree upon magically), but when anyone even whispers that there be laws written to govern such handling, they blow up like a nuclear bomb.

[brewer]

You would if you were an actor or a stunt man believing the set to be safe because you were told by the pros who get paid to ensure that it is..that it was.  

Baldwin and the entire production team are going to have a ton of layers of deniability as individuals between themselves and damages, just like the owner of a rental car place.

I agree, I'm just not ready to let him completely slide which is what Mr 1 in a trillion wants.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's worth pointing out that even the propmaster is being looked at as a witness, and not a suspect for any criminal wrong doing. That's gonna hurt any future civil claims as well. Meanwhile, had baldwin not shot the people he did, he was going to shoot whomever was in the scene with him. As far as not letting someone slide - well...there's someone that might apply to, but it isn't baldwin, at least not for the shooting itself.

Corporate culture of malfeasance claims are exceedingly hard to prove, they mostly rely on settlements - but I doubt that anyone in this instance is going to be keen to settle when they know that. Accidental injuries on set happen, shootings are comparatively rare, but only because guns are a comparatively rare prop in the set of all props. There was a brief moment where I was involved in selling fire suppression systems - our best closer "it's only a matter of time".

[brewer]

Interesting that gun guys will insist that there are unspoken "rules" to handling firearms (that everyone is just supposed to know and agree upon magically), but when anyone even whispers that there be laws written to govern such handling, they blow up like a nuclear bomb.

There are very clear spoken rules, even on movie sets. Not listening, paying attention or claiming some level of ignorance is not an excuse I'm willing to accept.

Nuclear bomb.......... thanks for the drama.

[Spongebob]

If every business could dump the responsibility on the user every time there something went south, there would be no use for criminal courts or civil courts.

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Precisely my point.  There was a person who was tasked with managing the condition of the gun.  That person failed.  That person was not the actor.  Keep in mind that the actor could have been a 12 year old child if the script called for it.  I knew how to handle a gun when I was 12 but that's not a reasonable expectation for everyone.  But overall, the safety of the set goes up the chain and the practices and standards were clearly not adequate.  That will be addressed, I'm sure.

That is the point. He was the owner of the production of his movie. It seems at this point, the person he hired skipped steps. At a minimum he still is responsible for hiring sub par staff. 

A long time ago, I got a job washing vehicles at a car dealership. My job was to move vehicles throughout the lot to either wash them, or move them into the mechanic bay. One day they asked me to move a box truck into the mechanic bay. But what they did not tell me, and had no way of knowing, is that one end of the bay was inches shorter than the other end. I tried to drive the box truck into one end and pealed the top end of the box like a can of tuna. They literally had to flatten the tires to unstick the truck. The problem was that one end of the bay was shorter than the other end. But I didn't know this.

So while I get Alec's remorse, and I accept it, it still remains that he was the car dealership owner.

The general sentiment of your comment is correct.  Everyone involved with the production has some responsibility for the safety of the case/crew.  There is case law that will determine the extent of that responsibility and I wouldn't be surprised if there are angles that haven't even been considered here.  But anyone who says Baldwyn is guilty of murder has an overactive imagination.

[brewer]

It's worth pointing out that even the propmaster is being looked at as a witness, and not a suspect for any criminal wrong doing.  That's gonna hurt any future civil claims as well.  Meanwhile, had baldwin not shot the people he did, he was going to shoot whomever was in the scene with him.  As far as not letting someone slide - well...there's someone that might apply to, but it isn't baldwin, at least not for the shooting itself.

Then that's pretty sad. Is it any wonder people hate lawyers?

You don't know that Alec would have shot whomever. A different level of precaution could be enforced between his practice and actually shooting the scene.

You have your opinion, I have mine. We'll just have to wait.

[Spongebob]

Interesting that gun guys will insist that there are unspoken "rules" to handling firearms (that everyone is just supposed to know and agree upon magically), but when anyone even whispers that there be laws written to govern such handling, they blow up like a nuclear bomb.

There are very clear spoken rules, even on movie sets. Not listening, paying attention or claiming some level of ignorance is not an excuse I'm willing to accept.

Nuclear bomb.......... thanks for the drama.

You're welcome.  Thanks for the deeply enriching insight.  I'll carve it into stone.