THE Gun Thread

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm fine with "fuck cops", and with seeking a utopia. If they could show just a little bit of discipline I might change my mind, but I'm not holding my breath...and as for the other thing, if utopia isn't the goal.....what is? Just one fewer killing? Fuck that. I don't think it's bananapants to insist that no one..literally and absolutely no one.... dies from a gunshot wound within the borders of the united states. Not even one inflicted by cops!

This isn't me arguing with you, per se.... it's me suggesting that you can just say you'd really rather prefer that gun deaths were a non-thing. It's not dirty. Know how many people were beaten to death with buggy whips in the us this year? None. Didn't used to be that way.... The idea that a hypothetical us in which no one ever gets shot is a utopia is ridiculous on it's face. There would still be plenty of absolutely fucked up shit to improve on even if we managed that.

[Rev. Rye]

Do you think that there is any chance that these people are not mentally ill?

Has anyone for one moment stopped to think that this is a staged photo?

Are we sure these people acutally own all these guns?

I’ve done some looking into this photo, and, as far as I can tell, it is real. Granted, it’s part of a photo journalistic project called The Ameriguns by Gabrielle Galimberti which documents several gun superusers, but I’ve found no evidence that Galimberti added a single gun to anyone’s arsenal just for the photos.

[The Grand Nudger]

There's just no need. After you account for accumulation (I have my fathers guns, my grandfathers guns, my brothers guns and my mothers guns) its just not that hard to end up with a deck full of guns adding your own to the mix. It's actually more difficult to get rid of guns, properly, than to accumulate them. I honestly couldn;t tell you when the last time most of my guns were fired. I just don't know. I don't even know if they all work (I was surprised recently when my auto 12g humpback just straight up wouldn't fire..it has to be a pin problem, but I haven't been back out to my guy for him to check it). I collect ww2 mbr's and Savage guns. Mostly enfields but.....ofc, I have a few m's and a kar.

[Brian37]

"See how well that Columbines"  " Crazy loner at the soundboard"  <---- Lines in this sing along in this clip. 

[Brian37]

I am watching the gun violence hearing. One black lady whose son was shot point blank in the head, at a party playing dominos is railing against gun control laws saying they do not work and are racist.

Right on both counts, but wrong as to why. Her son's shooter was playing dominos, so he would have been focused on that when the killer put the gun to his head. Having a gun on himself would not have helped him. The bullet that came out of the killer's gun is far faster than he could have gone for his if he had one. But if the killer had not been able to access the firearm in the first place, her son would still be alive. 

Our gun laws are a bs patchwork with no meaningful national standard. So white gop congressmen getting sugar daddy funds from the CEOs and the gun lobby point at "gun free zones" and falsely say "only criminals will get them".  Ok, all the more reason for firearm CEOs and shops be held accountable as to where their products end up. Blacks have as much right to defend themselves as whites. Which is why nobody, black or white, should be allowed to go into a gun shop, or make a untraceable purchase, or straw purchase, or gun show purchase, or online purchase.  I think because of her rightful emotional reaction she is making that argument that our laws don't work. And I agree they do not, but the solution regardless, is not to arm more and sell more in any zip code. 

Whites should not be allowed to simply walk into a gun shop and buy a firearm and stalk a black zip code grocery store and murder dozens of patrons. And that store had a security guard too, and he died, while being brave, but his gun still did not save him and the killer still was able to shoot several patrons.

[Pat Mustard]

Actually, rereading the second amendment, it doesn't enumerate a right to own guns at all. All it does is give a person to have a weapon (or weapons) in their possession while serving as part of a properly constituted militia.

That is what "bear arms" means, and the distinction between ownership and possession was even more clear in the 1780s when the constitution was written. There is literally no constituional provision barring the US or a state government from restricting gun owndership. All there is is a deliberate misreading by a very right wing panel of judges in 2008, all of them "originalists".

[The Grand Nudger]

Read the ninth to see why it doesn't matter whether the second gives a private citizen the right to own a private weapon. The 2a stuff is theater, meant as a sop to a demographic that feels that they've lost everything, and their place in society. Further, it causes a doomed reactionary response from the other side of the aisle that serves to strengthen their bases misapprehensions and redirect whatever anger they might feel towards the engineers of their own demise onto that other side.

The constitution is not a document that tells us what an american citizen can do...more what the american government can't.

Reich wing politicians aren't doing their constituency any favors with it, and, to be honest..the centrists that pass for the left aren't doing themselves any favors dancing to that tune. I know there's the idea that they're effectively building a paramilitary force as an alternative to us forces....and that some of the nuts believe that themselves...but that's certainly not the aim of the grifters who would just as soon stand on the back of a 2a nuts neck as they would any random black mans. When they feel that the time is right for their coup, not some trial run with a deranged clown they couldn't manage..they won't be calling up bubba and cletus, they'll be calling up the actual us military to suppress bubba and cletus with all of the other human cattle...and there's not a damned thing those cosplayers can do about it with their toy guns.

Frankly and simply put, 2a theater is about stoking the racial resentments of the white working class until they demand totalitarian rule....and any of them that figure that out, even at the last moment, are going to end up in camps in the desert alongside the immigrants they armed themselves against.

[Brian37]

Actually, rereading the second amendment, it doesn't enumerate a right to own guns at all.  All it does is give a person to have a weapon (or weapons) in their possession while serving as part of a properly constituted militia.

That is what "bear arms" means, and the distinction between ownership and possession was even more clear in the 1780s when the constitution was written.  There is literally no constituional provision barring the US or a state government from restricting gun owndership.  All there is is a deliberate misreading by a very right wing panel of judges in 2008, all of them "originalists".

DUH, so blame the greedy f Wayne La Pee dipshit, when he and others hijacked what used to be a ligit safety org prior and turned it into a heat shield for the profits of the industry. The NRA and the CEOs don't give one flying fuck about blacks, or whites or cops, or zip codes. More violence sells more guns, more guns end up in  more violence, repeat repeat, and the CEOs and shareholders have huge retirement investments. Problem is that comes at the cost of taxpayers, public health, and everyone's basic safety. 

The Second Amendment was intended for a STATE militia, and now that militia is called the National Guard.

[Brian37]

Who's Been Shot (Parody of Who's the Boss) sitcom opening lyrics.

There's more to buy than what your packen
You take a chance and still end up dead
An open carry and one that's hidden
A brand new death around the bend

There were times I lost a friend or two
Went to the morgue, and at the end was you
There's the fear you buy, and the lies they're sellen
The gullibility is up to you my friend

The sales are strong, and counts aren't fallen
Leads to a brand new death, a brand new death
Around the bend

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Read the ninth to see why it doesn't matter whether the second gives a private citizen the right to own a private weapon.  The 2a stuff is theater, meant as a sop to a demographic that feels that they've lost everything, and their place in society.  Further, it causes a doomed reactionary response from the other side of the aisle that serves to strengthen their bases misapprehensions and redirect whatever anger they might feel towards the engineers of their own demise onto that other side.

The constitution is not a document that tells us what an american citizen can do...more what the american government can't.

Reich wing politicians aren't doing their constituency any favors with it, and, to be honest..the centrists that pass for the left aren't doing themselves any favors dancing to that tune.  I know there's the idea that they're effectively building a paramilitary force as an alternative to us forces....and that some of the nuts believe that themselves...but that's certainly not the aim of the grifters who would just as soon stand on the back of a 2a nuts neck as they would any random black mans.  When they feel that the time is right for their coup, not some trial run with a deranged clown they couldn't manage..they won't be calling up bubba and cletus, they'll be calling up the actual us military to suppress bubba and cletus with all of the other human cattle...and there's not a damned thing those cosplayers can do about it with their toy guns.

Frankly and simply put, 2a theater is about stoking the racial resentments of the white working class until they demand totalitarian rule....and any of them that figure that out, even at the last moment, are going to end up in camps in the desert alongside the immigrants they armed themselves against.

But none of the gun rights crowd ever bring up the Ninth, not ever. It might go a long way toward helping their case if they did.

‘There’s no law that says I don’t have a right to guns’ is a more subtle (and probably a more effective) stance than ‘This particular law says I have a right to own guns’.

Boru