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Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
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 (November 2, 2022 at 6:49 am)rlp21858 Wrote: i'm not sure where to start with so many pages, but i'll try to start here. i get the feeling there's an argument that God is located/operates in/from one place, but the Bible says that God is in all things, and in us as well. An interesting thing (to me) about an omnipresent God is that if you stipulate somewhere it's not (such as hell), it's not anywhere.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
 (November 2, 2022 at 6:49 am)rlp21858 Wrote: i'm not sure where to start with so many pages, but i'll try to start here. i get the feeling there's an argument that God is located/operates in/from one place, but the Bible says that God is in all things, and in us as well. Also Bible: Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.  (November 2, 2022 at 10:42 am)LinuxGal Wrote:(November 2, 2022 at 6:49 am)rlp21858 Wrote: i'm not sure where to start with so many pages, but i'll try to start here. i get the feeling there's an argument that God is located/operates in/from one place, but the Bible says that God is in all things, and in us as well. Maybe it wasn't even a real place: Wikipedia -- Land of Nod No apparent references in Star Wars. (November 2, 2022 at 11:56 am)Jehanne Wrote:(November 2, 2022 at 10:42 am)LinuxGal Wrote: Also Bible: The Land of Nod for me was St. John's.
Boru: i dont understand: what do you mean by "have It removed"?
RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 2, 2022 at 8:11 pm
(This post was last modified: November 2, 2022 at 8:12 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Jokes are only ever better when they're explained.
 Anywho, is there some reason that you think it's salient which perch or perches a god might operate from? Sure, sure, there are about a million different expressions about how and from where a god operates, and people will either use them or respond to them - but over above and around all that...would it matter which (if any) were accurate descriptions, do you think..and if so, why?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Grand Nudger: yes, i believe so. i think a lot of the resistance to the belief/concept of God has to do with common interpretations of certain verses in the Bible. for example, much of the omnipotent effect about God has to do with the fact that God is in us, so that much of the working of God is determined by us.
 (November 3, 2022 at 12:14 am)rlp21858 Wrote: [...] much of the omnipotent effect about God has to do with the fact that God is in us, so that much of the working of God is determined by us. This is something I've read a lot from more mystical Christians. It has a long pedigree. It was a key point for William Blake. And it grows through various thinkers into German Idealism, into Hegel. Quote:Christ has no body but yours, RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
November 3, 2022 at 12:24 am
(This post was last modified: November 3, 2022 at 12:25 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 3, 2022 at 12:14 am)rlp21858 Wrote: Grand Nudger: yes, i believe so. i think a lot of the resistance to the belief/concept of God has to do with common interpretations of certain verses in the Bible. for example, much of the omnipotent effect about God has to do with the fact that God is in us, so that much of the working of God is determined by us. I guess that's a theory, though I don't think it will get much traction here (despite, as far as I can tell, that last bit being at least mechanically true, lol). Speaking only for myself, there's no issue of interpretation and it has nothing to do with magic book. I just don't believe in gods. I think to myself, self..do you believe in gods? Nope.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Grand Nudger: from what ive gathered about the term "atheism", i believe it only means a disbelief in idols, what i think youve called "narrative devices". i believe this agrees with Christianity; it speaks against idolatry too, the worship of anything we can see or detect. by "narrative device", i think you mean that it is only a reference to a much larger something "behind the scene." as a Christian, i believe this is true, up to and including Christ himself. so i think that, basically, God is the good that these devices have been referencing.
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