Do people just naturally want conflict

[Ahriman]

Not if it's literally beaten into you and made your mind unwilling to consider alternatives.

So do you no longer believe in freewill?

That aside, I can appreciate the difficulty in changing feelings about something.
But if you don't believe pleasure is irrelevant then all you have to do is type a post here saying, 'I think pleasure is relevant.'  It's not about your feelings, it's about what you assent to.

If, of course, you do believe that pleasure is irrelevant, then that's a different issue.  But then the issue isn't really one of you not being able to imagine an alternative because of your upbringing, the issue is that you hold to an opinion for whatever reason (regardless of its provenance) and we simply disagree.

Free will means freedom to act, to me. What's inside of my head, is not something I control.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Oh, I disagree with a lot of things I was told/taught.  But my childhood still had a large impact on the person I am today.  I learned not to be a drunk, abusive, mean parent.  The scars from those lessons remain.

The Y-donor tried to kill me a few times. Didn't miss him when he kicked it.

[FrustratedFool]

So do you no longer believe in freewill?

That aside, I can appreciate the difficulty in changing feelings about something.
But if you don't believe pleasure is irrelevant then all you have to do is type a post here saying, 'I think pleasure is relevant.'  It's not about your feelings, it's about what you assent to.

If, of course, you do believe that pleasure is irrelevant, then that's a different issue.  But then the issue isn't really one of you not being able to imagine an alternative because of your upbringing, the issue is that you hold to an opinion for whatever reason (regardless of its provenance) and we simply disagree.

Free will means freedom to act, to me. What's inside of my head, is not something I control.

Doesn't what's inside your head dictate what you do?

[Ahriman]

Free will means freedom to act, to me. What's inside of my head, is not something I control.

Doesn't what's inside your head dictate what you do?

Not for me. Maybe it does for others.

[FrustratedFool]

Doesn't what's inside your head dictate what you do?

Not for me. Maybe it does for others.

Fair enough.

[Angrboda]

Weren't you the person who was arguing that Muslim children were unlikely to escape the propositions taught during their upbringing?

I don't recall, but highly likely.
Statistically, it is true that someone who is raised within a certain religion, like Islam, is unlikely to disagree with Islamic teaching.  But in that case they actually agree with teaching X (whether through indoctrination or otherwise doesn't matter for this present discussion).  Here we have a case of someone who disagrees with a proposition, but finds themselves unable to disagree for some reason (hence why in posts above I clarified a belief 'that you disagree with').

So I can hold to both and be consistent.  And indeed I do, and am.

Except that Ahriman wasn't saying he was disagreeing with what his family taught, which makes your comment nonsensical.

You seem to say whatever is convenient to your argument at any point without any respect to what has been said before.

[Nanny]

So do you no longer believe in freewill?

That aside, I can appreciate the difficulty in changing feelings about something.
But if you don't believe pleasure is irrelevant then all you have to do is type a post here saying, 'I think pleasure is relevant.'  It's not about your feelings, it's about what you assent to.

If, of course, you do believe that pleasure is irrelevant, then that's a different issue.  But then the issue isn't really one of you not being able to imagine an alternative because of your upbringing, the issue is that you hold to an opinion for whatever reason (regardless of its provenance) and we simply disagree.

Free will means freedom to act, to me. What's inside of my head, is not something I control.

Everything you experience happens inside your head.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Doesn't what's inside your head dictate what you do?

Not for me. Maybe it does for others.

I can see where what you think has no effect on what you type.

[Nay_Sayer]

Not for me. Maybe it does for others.

Fair enough.

To be fair, he doesn't have anything in his head of which to dictate anything.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

This is what happens to threads when people take Ahriman seriously.

Boru