2024 US Presidential Election

[Deesse23]

The existence of bots is not in question. I get lots of bots on Twitter, and the amount of influence they have on my voting is exactly zero

...said every person, ever, who got influenced by bots. Because, thats why bots do exist: To influence people without their knowledge or consent. You are dumb like a ...person who would get manipulated by a bot without knowing it.

I have no reason to believe that the US electorate is in any danger from these alleged evil bots. 

Please stop. I already spilled my last cup all over the place.

[Thumpalumpacus]

They're under your bed! They're coming for you!

Oh, hush, child. I notice you didn't bother to deny deploying logical fallacies.

Your next reply to me had better be cogent unless you want to lose audience.

[Ravenshire]

They're under your bed! They're coming for you!

Oh, hush, child. I notice you didn't bother to deny deploying logical fallacies.

Your next reply to me had better be cogent unless you want to lose audience.

Bel is never going to argue in good faith. That would require intellectual honesty from them, and he simply has none.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Do you know how many pro-Trump bots I've blocked on Twitter?

Hundreds.

Joined 2016, 6 followers and no original posts or, in some cases, no reposts.

Dozens of accounts like that alone.

Statistically, even without trying to get followers, you should have a reasonable number after 8 years.

The existence of bots is not in question. I get lots of bots on Twitter, and the amount of influence they have on my voting is exactly zero. I have no reason to believe that the US electorate is in any danger from these alleged evil bots. 

How many of these pro-Trump bots are Russian in origin? Isn't it possible that some Americans are also pro-Trump? To what extent do the bots influence the outcome of an election? 

We assume that other countries are trying to interfere in US elections because we know that the US constantly interferes in elections abroad. (See: Victoria Nuland) Also this one: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...dependence

Can you point me to any reputable source which has any evidence that any bots, at any time, have had any influence on an American election? Is the danger so great that we should give up our right to free speech, and let the government control what we are allowed to say on social media? Zuckerberg has already said that the government told him to forbid people on Facebook from making various claims about Covid, some of which turned out to be true, and he regrets having obeyed.

The last time I asked for evidence of Russian influence on elections via Internet, I was pointed to an article about alleged Russians posting on sites for gamers, who were spreading rumors that everybody has already heard a thousand times from other sources: Fox News, Twitter, the usual. The article, among lots and lots of horrible-sounding innuendo, eventually suggested that Putin had "been briefed" about the existence of these gamers. 

So I am more skeptical than most people here. I am looking for evidence from someone other than obvious partisans or known liars.

(Bold mine)

So, election interference is only wrong if it succeeds? By that flimsy ‘logic’, we should stop prosecuting people for attempted murder.

Boru

[The Valkyrie]

Oooh, an argument from personal opinion.

Also, note that you're using charged language that I never "alleged". Fundamentally dishonest .... but you knew that already.


No one said all of them are Russian -- or Chinese, for that matter. This is a strawman, but I'm sure you knew that too.

Here's a tip: if you must be dishonest in order to propound your argument, your argument probably sucks. Case in point here.

They're under your bed! They're coming for you!

So, you're not going to respond in a decent fashion to the counter-arguments?

Can you change your name to bell-end?

[Belacqua]

OK! Everyone's patient and well-reasoned arguments have persuaded me. You win!

I believe that the US government should determine what is and is not misinformation.

I believe the US government should prosecute me if I post what they have deemed to be misinformation.

I do not believe this power could be misused.

Now I'm a good Democrat.

[Belacqua]

In other news,

Last spring the US Agency for International Development and the State Department's Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration both determined that Israel had illegally withheld food aid to Gaza. The United Nations declared a famine. By law, in such cases the Foreign Assistance Act should be triggered and all taxpayer money to Israel earmarked for weapons would be frozen.

Joe Biden's Secretary of State heard these reports and then told Congress the exact opposite.

Trust the Democrats!

[The Valkyrie]

OK! Everyone's patient and well-reasoned arguments have persuaded me. You win!

I believe that the US government should determine what is and is not misinformation.

I believe the US government should prosecute me if I post what they have deemed to be misinformation.

I do not believe this power could be misused.

Now I'm a good Democrat.

You didn't answer my question.

Bottom of my previous reply.

[Fireball]

Bell-End is quite upset that his Russian disinformation attempts have found zero traction here.   

[The Grand Nudger]

It's supposed to work on us godless commies, what gives? Quick, back to israel. Vote Donald to save the palestinians! Vote Donald to end the war in ukraine! Donald Trump...the peace candidate.