Knowing everything and allowing evil

[Godscreated]

If the god of the bible was proved to exist id call him a cunt and move on my merry way to hell.. at least the devil is somewhat consistant..

You're all brave now, but...

[Zen Badger]

If the god of the bible was proved to exist id call him a cunt and move on my merry way to hell.. at least the devil is somewhat consistant..

You're all brave now, but...

Yeah, yeah, more empty threats.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

You're all brave now, but...

How very smug and what stereotypical schadenfreude.

The last thing I am is brave or defiant. I'm simply unable to believe.

Ignoramuses such as you, Chips and Aardvark do not inspire confidence, with your bloody mindedness and apparent inability to muster an independent thought.

[Modular Moog V]

If the god of the bible was proved to exist id call him a cunt and move on my merry way to hell.. at least the devil is somewhat consistant..

You're all brave now, but...

I have always wondered why Satan, widely reputed as the enemy of God, would do God's dirty work in punishing the fallen ones in Hell. It just seems like if Satan tortures the wicked ones in Hell, he is just working for God, like a janitor.

If Satan is the opposite of God, Hell just might be a rewarding place for dedicated sinners. How sure are you he will follow God's rule to make sure we suffer?

If He is truly rebellious, he will NOT punish us atheist unbelievers.

[Abracadabra]

If the god of the bible was proved to exist id call him a cunt and move on my merry way to hell.. at least the devil is somewhat consistant..

You're all brave now, but...

The problem with your God, GC, is that your God would necessarily need to be less benevolent and righteous than many of the people that you would have him be mean to.

[Godscreated]

If the god of the bible was proved to exist id call him a cunt and move on my merry way to hell.. at least the devil is somewhat consistant..

You're all brave now, but...

I have always wondered why Satan, widely reputed as the enemy of God, would do God's dirty work in punishing the fallen ones in Hell. It just seems like if Satan tortures the wicked ones in Hell, he is just working for God, like a janitor.

If Satan is the opposite of God, Hell just might be a rewarding place for dedicated sinners. How sure are you he will follow God's rule to make sure we suffer?

If He is truly rebellious, he will NOT punish us atheist unbelievers.

Left to his own he might not punish, however you have it all wrong, Satan is not the one who punishes. Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire and destroyed, so he want be hanging around to help those who are in hell. By the way hell is a place of punishment not a place of torture.

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If the god of the bible was proved to exist id call him a cunt and move on my merry way to hell.. at least the devil is somewhat consistant..

You're all brave now, but...

The problem with your God, GC, is that your God would necessarily need to be less benevolent and righteous than many of the people that you would have him be mean to.

I would not have Him be mean to anyone, God's judgement is His according to His righteousness.

[chi pan]

If the god of the bible was proved to exist id call him a cunt and move on my merry way to hell.. at least the devil is somewhat consistant..

You're all brave now, but...

I have always wondered why Satan, widely reputed as the enemy of God, would do God's dirty work in punishing the fallen ones in Hell. It just seems like if Satan tortures the wicked ones in Hell, he is just working for God, like a janitor.

If Satan is the opposite of God, Hell just might be a rewarding place for dedicated sinners. How sure are you he will follow God's rule to make sure we suffer?

If He is truly rebellious, he will NOT punish us atheist unbelievers.

Satan does not punish us. He merely lures us into hell. We are tormented mostly by the lack of anything good in that place. Secondly by the fire. (when I say we I mean people in general.)

[Abracadabra]

I would not have Him be mean to anyone, God's judgement is His according to His righteousness.

Well it doesn't matter what you would have him do. You're not in charge of the Hebrew God. They had already created him in their mythology.

So it was the ancient Hebrews who decided what God's righteousness should be, and it is also them who have created a God who far less righteous or benevolent than many mortal men including myself.

In order for these fables to be true, this God would necessarily need to punish me for merely not believing that an all-wise all-benevolent creator could be that cruel, heartless, and unrighteous.

The very reason I reject the Hebrew myths is because they demand that their God is indeed unrighteous.

So their God would need to punish me for not believing that God is that big of a jerk.

In other words, the Hebrew God would need to prove to me that I was right by becoming preciously the unrighteous jerk that I reject.

If you can't see the utter contradiction in that, then there's no hope for you.

But then again, I seriously doubt that you'll ever see the absurdities in this religion. You're rather just pretend they don't exist, evidently.

There is not way the Biblical God could justify being more cruel to me, than I would be to anyone else. For him to do so, would only prove that he is a less benevolent being than myself.

And you can't have a "God" going around proving to people that he's less righteous and benevolent than they are.

That's utterly insane.

It's just a hateful man made cult that can't possibly be true.

The God of this religion would need to be far less benevolent than a mere mortal man like myself. Thus it must necessarily be false. Period.

There can be no other explanation.

You simply can't have a supposedly "righteous" God going around condemning decent loving people for merely not believing that he's a hateful jerk.

If he actually behaved that way all it would do is prove that those people were clearly right all along.

A religion that is based on a hateful jealous God is an oxymoron.

You can be absolutely guaranteed that it's a man-mad scam.

No shadow of a doubt needs to remain.

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Satan does not punish us. He merely lures us into hell. We are tormented mostly by the lack of anything good in that place. Secondly by the fire. (when I say we I mean people in general.)

How stupid to you think people are that they should believe such utter nonsense.

The reason I reject the Hebrew picture of God is because it portrays and ignorant hateful God who only knows how to solve problems using extreme violence, and even that never works for him according to these fables.

So what you are suggesting is the following:

1. God isn't as ignorant, violent, and hateful as the Bible makes him out to be.
2. Satan has 'lured' me into hell by making the bible appear this way to me.
3. This supposedly omniscient God is STUPID enough to think that would be my fault?

How can you not see how utterly insane that would be?

First off, what I am rejecting is ignorance, violence, stupidity, and hate.

I'm not rejecting anything "good". On the contrary I reject the Bible precisely because it's not "good"

So you expect me to believe that Satan has created this false illusion of a hateful God so that I'll reject God.

Moreover, you expect me to believe that this God is so STUPID that he doesn't even realize that what I would actually be rejecting is a false image created by Satan.

So you thing it would be righteous for this God to "punish" me for rejecting ignorance, violence, stupidity, hatred, male-chauvinism, etc.

He's going to punish me for rejecting all these evil things, and believing that if there exists an all-wise, all-benevolent creator that creator should actually be all-wise and all-benevolent?

You have got to be totally insane.

All this supposedly "all-wise" and omniscience God would need to do is say to me, "Well of course I don't blame you for rejecting the biblical picture as you saw it. I'm nothing at all like that. I can't blame you for rejecting such ignorance, violence and stupidity because I'm not like that. I reject all those horrible things too!"

And God would lift me up and place me on the same level with Jesus.

God would have to confess to me that the Bible is a horrifically false document that is very poorly written and grossly misleading.

He certainly couldn't condemn me for refusing to worship such ignorance and violence.

In fact, if he did condemn for that very thing, that would only prove that the biblical picture of God as an ignorant unwise fool is perfectly correct.

So it makes no sense.

The only way this God can be as evil as you Christians demand is indeed if he is that evil.

But an evil God is not a benevolent righteous God.

So make up your stupid minds.

Is your God evil or good.

If he's evil then he's not a God, he's a demon.

If he's good, then the Bible can't be a correct portrait of him.

So if you believe in a "good" God you really need to trash the Hebrew myths and find a better picture of spirituality to believe in.

That's the problem with the Hebrew myths is that they demand that their God is evil, unrighteous, and completely untrustworthy.

That's not a God, that's a demon.

[chi pan]

I would not have Him be mean to anyone, God's judgement is His according to His righteousness.

Well it doesn't matter what you would have him do. You're not in charge of the Hebrew God. They had already created him in their mythology.

So it was the ancient Hebrews who decided what God's righteousness should be, and it is also them who have created a God who far less righteous or benevolent than many mortal men including myself.

In order for these fables to be true, this God would necessarily need to punish me for merely not believing that an all-wise all-benevolent creator could be that cruel, heartless, and unrighteous.

The very reason I reject the Hebrew myths is because they demand that their God is indeed unrighteous.

So their God would need to punish me for not believing that God is that big of a jerk.

In other words, the Hebrew God would need to prove to me that I was right by becoming preciously the unrighteous jerk that I reject.

If you can't see the utter contradiction in that, then there's no hope for you.

But then again, I seriously doubt that you'll ever see the absurdities in this religion. You're rather just pretend they don't exist, evidently.

There is not way the Biblical God could justify being more cruel to me, than I would be to anyone else. For him to do so, would only prove that he is a less benevolent being than myself.

And you can't have a "God" going around proving to people that he's less righteous and benevolent than they are.

That's utterly insane.

It's just a hateful man made cult that can't possibly be true.

The God of this religion would need to be far less benevolent than a mere mortal man like myself. Thus it must necessarily be false. Period.

There can be no other explanation.

You simply can't have a supposedly "righteous" God going around condemning decent loving people for merely not believing that he's a hateful jerk.

If he actually behaved that way all it would do is prove that those people were clearly right all along.

A religion that is based on a hateful jealous God is an oxymoron.

You can be absolutely guaranteed that it's a man-mad scam.

No shadow of a doubt needs to remain.

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Satan does not punish us. He merely lures us into hell. We are tormented mostly by the lack of anything good in that place. Secondly by the fire. (when I say we I mean people in general.)

How stupid to you think people are that they should believe such utter nonsense.

The reason I reject the Hebrew picture of God is because it portrays and ignorant hateful God who only knows how to solve problems using extreme violence, and even that never works for him according to these fables.

So what you are suggesting is the following:

1. God isn't as ignorant, violent, and hateful as the Bible makes him out to be.
2. Satan has 'lured' me into hell by making the bible appear this way to me.
3. This supposedly omniscient God is STUPID enough to think that would be my fault?

How can you not see how utterly insane that would be?

First off, what I am rejecting is ignorance, violence, stupidity, and hate.

I'm not rejecting anything "good". On the contrary I reject the Bible precisely because it's not "good"

So you expect me to believe that Satan has created this false illusion of a hateful God so that I'll reject God.

Moreover, you expect me to believe that this God is so STUPID that he doesn't even realize that what I would actually be rejecting is a false image created by Satan.

So you thing it would be righteous for this God to "punish" me for rejecting ignorance, violence, stupidity, hatred, male-chauvinism, etc.

He's going to punish me for rejecting all these evil things, and believing that if there exists an all-wise, all-benevolent creator that creator should actually be all-wise and all-benevolent?

You have got to be totally insane.

All this supposedly "all-wise" and omniscience God would need to do is say to me, "Well of course I don't blame you for rejecting the biblical picture as you saw it. I'm nothing at all like that. I can't blame you for rejecting such ignorance, violence and stupidity because I'm not like that. I reject all those horrible things too!"

And God would lift me up and place me on the same level with Jesus.

God would have to confess to me that the Bible is a horrifically false document that is very poorly written and grossly misleading.

He certainly couldn't condemn me for refusing to worship such ignorance and violence.

In fact, if he did condemn for that very thing, that would only prove that the biblical picture of God as an ignorant unwise fool is perfectly correct.

So it makes no sense.

The only way this God can be as evil as you Christians demand is indeed if he is that evil.

But an evil God is not a benevolent righteous God.

So make up your stupid minds.

Is your God evil or good.

If he's evil then he's not a God, he's a demon.

If he's good, then the Bible can't be a correct portrait of him.

So if you believe in a "good" God you really need to trash the Hebrew myths and find a better picture of spirituality to believe in.

That's the problem with the Hebrew myths is that they demand that their God is evil, unrighteous, and completely untrustworthy.

That's not a God, that's a demon.

1. Why does he punish you more than anyone else? He doesn't. He punishes everyone the same. The difference is he offers forgiveness for those who ask it. Some consider bad times in life a punishment but this is a misconception. Not everyone gets what they deserve, but that's not important. What's important is what you do with what you get. You think God picks on you but he gives you a choice. You can eat at the table or the dog dish but if you choose the dog dish, he's gonna put you outside (metaphor alert).

2. I need to become a jerk like God to believe in him? Look, a parent is not a jerk for punishing his/her child. I wish more parents would teach this. Punishment does not equal bad. When a child throws a tantrum in a store is it wrong of the Parent to punish the child? No. It's important for the parent to demand respect just as its important for god to demand respect.

3. Stupid to reject God for rejecting ignorance, stupidity...? I don't know if you realize this but if indeed God is real, the idea of him would not be stupid or ignorant. Your idea of him would be. I know you guys here aren't good imagining "what if" scenarios but if you can, you know this statement to be true.

4. Is Christianity hateful? Well I must admit that Christianity has been used to promote violence. But so has athiesm. Example: hitler. As much as you disagree with him, he claimed to be athiest and often quoted Darwin and wanted to kill what he saw to be the minor race. It's not fair to pass judgment on Christianity because of radicals just the same with hitler and athiesm.

5. Does God solve problems with violence only? No. Any leader of a country can tell you sometimes violence is necessary to solve a big problem. He prefers to work in the goodness of our hearts however. Did he convert Rome with violence? No. In fact, the only times he uses violence are to protect his chosen people in the bible. And to punish them.

The last thing I want to say is if any of you are adults, you probably remember a time when you thought you were smarter/better than your parents in your teen years. I know I remember that. Consider what you know now that they were right and you were ignorant and apply that to God.

[Zen Badger]

2. I need to become a jerk like God to believe in him? Look, a parent is not a jerk for punishing his/her child. I wish more parents would teach this. Punishment does not equal bad. When a child throws a tantrum in a store is it wrong of the Parent to punish the child? No. It's important for the parent to demand respect just as its important for god to demand respect.

I would think there is a huge difference between sending your child to their room for being naughty and sending someone to burn in hell for eternity. If you can't see that difference.....

3. Stupid to reject God for rejecting ignorance, stupidity...? I don't know if you realize this but if indeed God is real, the idea of him would not be stupid or ignorant. Your idea of him would be. I know you guys here aren't good imagining "what if" scenarios but if you can, you know this statement to be true.

If god is real.... and when you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is we'll discuss this again

4. Is Christianity hateful? Well I must admit that Christianity has been used to promote violence. But so has athiesm. Example: hitler. As much as you disagree with him, he claimed to be athiest and often quoted Darwin and wanted to kill what he saw to be the minor race. It's not fair to pass judgment on Christianity because of radicals just the same with hitler and athiesm.

Show us where Hitler claimed to be an atheist. And since in Mein Kampf he makes many calls to god and none to atheism your point is invalid.

5. Does God solve problems with violence only? No. Any leader of a country can tell you sometimes violence is necessary to solve a big problem. He prefers to work in the goodness of our hearts however. Did he convert Rome with violence? No. In fact, the only times he uses violence are to protect his chosen people in the bible. And to punish them.

Or if they want to take over someone else's country.

The last thing I want to say is if any of you are adults, you probably remember a time when you thought you were smarter/better than your parents in your teen years. I know I remember that. Consider what you know now that they were right and you were ignorant and apply that to God.

You first need to prove he exists. See point above.