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RE: Differentiating a religious experience/including hallucinations from a psyc disorder
March 21, 2012 at 9:12 am
(March 20, 2012 at 6:55 pm)Hunter9035 Wrote: When one of your senior members referred me here he said most of you were pretty intelligent. I've been greatly disappointed thus far. Wow
And, uh...Where exactly are YOUR displays of intelligence thus far? I sure as hell haven't seen it. People have been calmly asking for evidence for five pages now and your only replies are vague references to things you provide no citations or sources to. That or you just point people in the general direction of a biblical entry or two.
I'mma give you a real protip here: The bible is not evidence. It was written like half a century after Christ supposedly died by guys in their 80s; NOT WHAT I'D CALL A RELIABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION. Not to mention the original writings were lost and then pieced together like 200 years later, so it's actually second-hand recollections of writings of men who were in all likelihood extremely senile [given the lack of dietary nutrition in those times and lack of general health]. Not to mention the uncomfortable [for christians] gaps in historical writings, the lack of the supposed tomb or any site of religious significance having any kind of archeological evidence, and the complete and total lack of any account of Jesus Christ's life. He disappears for like 20 years or so and then pops back up and NOBODY knows where he was or what he was doing other than some extremely vague details. We know all the details on the life of King Tut and yet we don't know shit about the guy supposedly the son of god?
So, with this information in mind; cease quoting biblical scripture when pressed for evidence, and provide actual, empirical evidence; witnesses with corroborating accounts would count...as in, those four people who all 'shared' the hallucination and got random scratch marks? I would like to have them separated from each other with no contact with one another for two days, then interviewed separately in two hour intervals, to see how much of their stories actually corroborate with one another. I would also like a comparison of the scratch marks to each person's nails to determine whether or not someone present was scratching.
My guess is you're not going to provide this evidence. Essentially, you're basically bringing a load of assorted fecal matter to the table when you promised food, and wondering why nobody's digging in; you inquire why, and we want to know why you're placing shit on the table, and asking you where the actual food is. You reply to tell us WHAT the shit is, and where it CAME from, but not the REAL answers we want; we wanna know WHY you've put shit on the table...and where is the food?? You basically have then replied "You're stupid for not wanting to eat this shit." No, honey, we're not. You're stupid for bringing shit to dinner and thinking we'd all eat it up without questioning it. A LOT.
Now, kindly bring us some food [evidence] or just...go away. You keep wanting to be banned, which shows you're just trying to be a martyr so you can go to your Christian Apologists website or something and go "SEE? THEY BAN ANYONE WHO IS NOT OF THE BOOK! PRAISE BE TO JESUS I WENT INTO THE DEN OF LIONS AND SURVIVED!" If this just another attempt to be banned, for that very likely reason, well...it's pretty sad.
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RE: Differentiating a religious experience/including hallucinations from a psyc disorder
March 21, 2012 at 9:23 am
The biggest problem for martyrs is that all their "good work" is on the web FOR ALL TO SEE.
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RE: Differentiating a religious experience/including hallucinations from a psyc disorder
March 21, 2012 at 9:26 am
I thought she had a CS Lewis quote for her signature. What is everybody referring to about her ban wish?
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RE: Differentiating a religious experience/including hallucinations from a psyc disorder
March 21, 2012 at 9:27 am
(March 21, 2012 at 9:26 am)Phil Wrote: I thought she had a CS Lewis quote for her signature. What is everybody referring to about her ban wish?
She asked to be banned in shout.
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RE: Differentiating a religious experience/including hallucinations from a psyc disorder
March 21, 2012 at 9:28 am
I very much doubt they were in their 80s in that day and age to be honest. Collation of the bible was around the time period you suggest, but the individual accounts are traced closer between 50-100ad as far as I know, so also unlikely to be eyewitness, but written accounts of verbal diarrhea that passed for their faith.
I broadly agree, but its probably best its pointed out before a theist uses those inaccuracies to undermine your entire point.
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RE: Differentiating a religious experience/including hallucinations from a psyc disorder
March 21, 2012 at 9:30 am
(March 21, 2012 at 9:27 am)Insanity x Wrote: (March 21, 2012 at 9:26 am)Phil Wrote: I thought she had a CS Lewis quote for her signature. What is everybody referring to about her ban wish?
She asked to be banned in shout.
She asked? If she don't want to come here anymore, is it really that hard not to? Guess I'll hear about it from her later anyway.
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RE: Differentiating a religious experience/including hallucinations from a psyc disorder
March 21, 2012 at 9:31 am
(March 21, 2012 at 9:27 am)Insanity x Wrote: (March 21, 2012 at 9:26 am)Phil Wrote: I thought she had a CS Lewis quote for her signature. What is everybody referring to about her ban wish?
She asked to be banned in shout.
Apparently we are ALL "Far too negative" for her? 
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RE: Differentiating a religious experience/including hallucinations from a psyc disorder
March 21, 2012 at 9:39 am
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(March 21, 2012 at 9:28 am)NoMoreFaith Wrote: I very much doubt they were in their 80s in that day and age to be honest. Collation of the bible was around the time period you suggest, but the individual accounts are traced closer between 50-100ad as far as I know, so also unlikely to be eyewitness, but written accounts of verbal diarrhea that passed for their faith.
I broadly agree, but its probably best its pointed out before a theist uses those inaccuracies to undermine your entire point.
Yeah good point. I was saying the accounts were like...50-100 AD so if they WERE written by the people they were supposedly written by [the four gospels] then the guys would be at least in their 80s or something. Fuck, I can write a 300 page book in about a year. They had FOUR GUYS tag-teaming this book and it took them 50+ years? Come the fuck on. lol And people take it as FACT. THAT'S the real gut-wrenching laugh-ripper....
(March 21, 2012 at 9:31 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: (March 21, 2012 at 9:27 am)Insanity x Wrote: (March 21, 2012 at 9:26 am)Phil Wrote: I thought she had a CS Lewis quote for her signature. What is everybody referring to about her ban wish?
She asked to be banned in shout.
Apparently we are ALL "Far too negative" for her?
Christians especially don't like to hear "facts" or "reason" or "logic" or talk of "evidence." It's very jarring and discordant to suddenly be faced with the vastness of the universe and all that is within it, especially for such small-minded people as most of them tend to be...
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RE: Differentiating a religious experience/including hallucinations from a psyc disorder
March 21, 2012 at 9:43 am
It's also very 'jarring' to find your favourite scape goats are not accepting of the projection of your demons/ misery.
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RE: Differentiating a religious experience/including hallucinations from a psyc disorder
March 21, 2012 at 10:04 am
All too true.
"WHAT'S THIS? ATHEISTS? ON THE INTERNETS? THEY MUST NOT HAVE HEARD ABOUT JESUS AND THE DEMONS THAT MAY BEFALL THEM! IF I TELL THEM SOME OF THE SHALLOW STUFF I'VE LEARNED AT SUNDAY SCHOOL, THEY'LL HAVE TO BELIEVE IT!"
A sad POV too many of them take.
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