Hell is not real...

[The Grand Nudger]

No, that's just a very short list of some of the ways in which it is not special, which is what the point of contention was to begin with. You have a habit Clive. That the bible is a book of myth (and, admittedly, legend) is similarly well established. Would you like to make a thread, argue the other side? You know I'd be there with my comments etc.

[catfish]

No, I do not support the Greek myths, these are Greek words used to write the scriptures during a time when most spoke Greek. Yes I do support the word aion, it is used in Matt. 25:46 to describe punishment and life, same word for both. So both punishment and life are eternal or I've wasted my time. Also look up 2nd Thess. 1:9-10. Aion includes all of time, past, present and future.

2 Timothy 4:3-5
New International Version (NIV)

3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

Paul is telling Timothy that he will encounter those who will seek false doctrine to fit their life style. He is also telling him that they will find teachers who will cater to them, not to be discourage because some will leave the faith.
You need to learn what scriptures are saying.

2 Peter 2:1-4
New International Version (NIV)

2 Peter 2
False Teachers and Their Destruction
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[.b] to be held for judgment;

Footnotes:
a.2 Peter 2:4 Greek Tartarus
b.2 Peter 2:4 Some manuscripts in gloomy dungeons


Hmmm, destructive heresies and myths? Hades seems to fit that prophecy quite nicely.

The word Hades is the Greek word for hell and nothing more. Peter never intended to put Greek myths into scriptures.

As for your eternal support...

Lamentations 3:30-32
New International Version (NIV)


30 Let him offer his cheek to one who would strike him,
and let him be filled with disgrace.
31 For no one is cast off
by the Lord forever.
32 Though he brings grief, he will show compassion,
so great is his unfailing love.

Why are you using a book and verses that are about the sorrows of exile, this has nothing to do with hell, it is a statement about earthly punishment not eternal. You sir are a cherry picker of the most desperately unknowledged.

I'm just curious GC. Did the holy ghost teach you all of this?
You know, embrace pagan ideals and holidays, human sacrifice, non-forgiveness, sunday worship (on the pagan sun-god's day?), fear-mongering, etc.....

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

AtG was in the 4th centry BC(E).

I'm aware of that.(331bce) MY question was a based on the proposition of likely residual Greek influence,especially in language and writing.

I am actually looking for expansion on Min's claim that the Torah was originally written in Greek. That seems odd to me,as there was an established written Hebrew by the tenth century bce. However,that does not mean my perception is necessarily right. I simply seek evidence for the claim.

The earliest extant,full copy of the Tanakh is the Leningrad codex, (1009 CE ) and is written in Hebrew. That infers nothing about the original document.

[Reforged]

... getting the feeling catfish doesn't have an answer to my post...

[catfish]

... getting the feeling catfish doesn't have an answer to my post...

Dude, I'm not gonna spoon-feed you knowledge. You must work for that yourself.

Re-read the thread. Get the gist of what I wrote. Look up the original words that were TRANSLATED to "hell". Bring those words back here and present your case as to why they mean "hell".

They sold you the lie, you bought the lie, you rejected the lie.

You don't have to still believe the lie numbnuts!

[Reforged]

... getting the feeling catfish doesn't have an answer to my post...

Dude, I'm not gonna spoon-feed you knowledge. You must work for that yourself.

Re-read the thread. Get the gist of what I wrote. Look up the original words that were TRANSLATED to "hell". Bring those words back here and present your case as to why they mean "hell".

They sold you the lie, you bought the lie, you rejected the lie.

You don't have to still believe the lie numbnuts!

*You*... spoon-feed *me* knowledge? HA! Nice one Forrest. What next? Operas gonna show me how to diet? I said it once and I'll say it again, you're Nutcase Christian no. 2691. Pull the strings and will you look at that, bullshit comes out. Nothing unique about you, only thing thats missing is your original packaging and the barcode that should be stamped on your forehead. At least you come with a free stick up your ass.
I usually make a point not to get insulting but I get the feeling a bunker buster wouldn't get past that thick cro-magnon skull of yours let alone afew harsh words. If I went to one of your family get-togethers I'd likely meet "uncle-dad" and "auntie-mom". Then I'd meet your "sister-girlfriend". You get what I'm saying son? Its not a family tree as much as its a family circle. Just one endless cycle of confused seamen misunderstanding the theory of relativity and going for any target with the same genes producing spud-headed little miracles such as yourself who come here, day after day thinking they've got something we haven't heard before.
"Ooooh, well now will ya look at this. Hells a mistranslation! I'm not gonna burn for puttin' ma naughty stick in auntie-ma' after all! Praaaaaaise the lord!"

Hate to break this to you son;
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswe...-06-21.htm
http://www.biblicalheritage.org/BHR/BHR-67a.pdf
Your brethren seem to disagree.

I'd also like to point out you made no effort to respond to the quotes I presented.
Most will think thats down to a product of laziness, I'm going to be kind and put it down to a product of incest.

[catfish]

*You*... spoon-feed *me* knowledge? HA! Nice one Forrest. What next? Operas gonna show me how to diet? I said it once and I'll say it again, you're Nutcase Christian no. 2691. Pull the strings and will you look at that, bullshit comes out. Nothing unique about you, only thing thats missing is your original packaging and the barcode that should be stamped on your forehead. At least you come with a free stick up your ass.
I usually make a point not to get insulting but I get the feeling a bunker buster wouldn't get past that thick cro-magnon skull of yours let alone afew harsh words. If I went to one of your family get-togethers I'd likely meet "uncle-dad" and "auntie-mom". Then I'd meet your "sister-girlfriend". You get what I'm saying son? Its not a family tree as much as its a family circle. Just one endless cycle of confused seamen misunderstanding the theory of relativity and going for any target with the same genes producing spud-headed little miracles such as yourself who come here, day after day thinking they've got something we haven't heard before.
"Ooooh, well now will ya look at this. Hells a mistranslation! I'm not gonna burn for puttin' ma naughty stick in auntie-ma' after all! Praaaaaaise the lord!"

Hate to break this to you son;
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswe...-06-21.htm
http://www.biblicalheritage.org/BHR/BHR-67a.pdf
Your brethren seem to disagree.

I'd also like to point out you made no effort to respond to the quotes I presented.
Most will think thats down to a product of laziness, I'm going to be kind and put it down to a product of incest.

*I predict a fluff piece with no actual argument.

Damn, I'm good!


If you find "hell" in any version of Greek or Hebrew manuscripts, show it.
Otherwise, I'll continue to believe "hell" was a made up word designed to control the masses.

[Cato]

If you find "hell" in any version of Greek or Hebrew manuscripts, show it.
Otherwise, I'll continue to believe "hell" was a made up word designed to control the masses.

Now that you put it this way, hell sounds a lot like your god.

[Reforged]

*You*... spoon-feed *me* knowledge? HA! Nice one Forrest. What next? Operas gonna show me how to diet? I said it once and I'll say it again, you're Nutcase Christian no. 2691. Pull the strings and will you look at that, bullshit comes out. Nothing unique about you, only thing thats missing is your original packaging and the barcode that should be stamped on your forehead. At least you come with a free stick up your ass.
I usually make a point not to get insulting but I get the feeling a bunker buster wouldn't get past that thick cro-magnon skull of yours let alone afew harsh words. If I went to one of your family get-togethers I'd likely meet "uncle-dad" and "auntie-mom". Then I'd meet your "sister-girlfriend". You get what I'm saying son? Its not a family tree as much as its a family circle. Just one endless cycle of confused seamen misunderstanding the theory of relativity and going for any target with the same genes producing spud-headed little miracles such as yourself who come here, day after day thinking they've got something we haven't heard before.
"Ooooh, well now will ya look at this. Hells a mistranslation! I'm not gonna burn for puttin' ma naughty stick in auntie-ma' after all! Praaaaaaise the lord!"

Hate to break this to you son;
http://lavistachurchofchrist.org/LVanswe...-06-21.htm
http://www.biblicalheritage.org/BHR/BHR-67a.pdf
Your brethren seem to disagree.

I'd also like to point out you made no effort to respond to the quotes I presented.
Most will think thats down to a product of laziness, I'm going to be kind and put it down to a product of incest.

*I predict a fluff piece with no actual argument.

Damn, I'm good!


If you find "hell" in any version of Greek or Hebrew manuscripts, show it.
Otherwise, I'll continue to believe "hell" was a made up word designed to control the masses.

You're not good, you're horrible at this.
Its like watching someone kill themselves during a game of Russian roulette and in their death throws write "I'm winning" on the floor in their own blood.

The fact you made your reply in just over ten minutes proves you didn't even check the links which demonstrated your folly. If you deny the translation of hell that means you'd have to deny a sizable portion of the New Testament including alot of parts with Jesus preaching as he preaches about hell alot. To call hell a mistranslation you'd have to call quite a few of the preachings of Jesus and a sizable chunk of the New Testament a fabrication as they depend entirely on the understanding of hell as a firey and torturous place. You would know this had you checked the links. You've argued yourself into a corner because of your inbred intellect and I'm going to sincerely enjoy watching you try to squirm out of this one.

Is the new testament true... or is hell a mistranslation?
Go on then. :-)

[catfish]

You're not good, you're horrible at this.
Its like watching someone kill themselves during a game of Russian roulette and in their death throws write "I'm winning" on the floor in their own blood.

The fact you made your reply in just over ten minutes proves you didn't even check the links which demonstrated your folly. If you deny the translation of hell that means you'd have to deny a sizable portion of the New Testament including alot of parts with Jesus preaching as he preaches about hell alot. To call hell a mistranslation you'd have to call quite a few of the preachings of Jesus and a sizable chunk of the New Testament a fabrication as they depend entirely on the understanding of hell as a firey and torturous place. You would know this had you checked the links. You've argued yourself into a corner because of your inbred intellect and I'm going to enjoy watching you try to squirm out of this one.

Is the new testament true... or is hell a mistranslation?
Go on then. :-)

Before I answer, I want to know your position here.
It appears that you, an atheist, are arguing from the point of view that the Bible is true. Did I just rescue your soul from the gates of Hades? Are you a "believer" now?

Are you, in fact, arguing that the NT is true? Or are you trying to dictate to me what I'm supposed to believe?