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Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell
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RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell
Drich Wrote:Again, the problem with your arguement is that the Jewish religion is not set up to process human sacerfice, and in order for your interpertation of this passage to work one has to over look a 1/2 a dozen barriers in their religious practice and the orginal language in which the story was recorded to force this foolish interpretation.

You're not looking at the Bible critically. You're assuming all these stories and law codes came together in the same sequence of the events as it reads plainly in the Bible as it exists today. Sorry, that's not how it happened. The OT draws from a variety of different sources from different eras of Israel's history. You cannot simply appeal to the traditions of Israel to rule out that child sacrifice is happening here because the story could be from a much earlier period and the traditions from a later period.

To say "the text can't be possibly be implying that because of these traditions" is to assume the bible has no contradictions. The Bible was not written and recorded in the fairy tale way you believe it was.
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
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#72
RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell
(September 25, 2012 at 2:12 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: To say "the text can't be possibly be implying that because of these traditions" is to assume the bible has no contradictions. The Bible was not written and recorded in the fairy tale way you believe it was.

And before anyone tries to say that the bible doesn't have contradictions, please look at this. The lower half of the page shows the actual passages, the upper shows where you can find them.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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#73
RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell
To be fair Catholicism does provide a very straight and narrow path...
















To a seamen stained death down in a church basement.
See what I did there? :-)
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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#74
RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell
(September 25, 2012 at 2:26 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: To a seamen stained death down in a church basement.

What does the Navy have to do with Catholicism?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#75
RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell
(September 25, 2012 at 2:33 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
(September 25, 2012 at 2:26 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: To a seamen stained death down in a church basement.

What does the Navy have to do with Catholicism?

*leans into whisper*
Everything.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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#76
RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell
(September 25, 2012 at 2:12 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:
Drich Wrote:Again, the problem with your arguement is that the Jewish religion is not set up to process human sacerfice, and in order for your interpertation of this passage to work one has to over look a 1/2 a dozen barriers in their religious practice and the orginal language in which the story was recorded to force this foolish interpretation.

You're not looking at the Bible critically. You're assuming all these stories and law codes came together in the same sequence of the events as it reads plainly in the Bible as it exists today. Sorry, that's not how it happened. The OT draws from a variety of different sources from different eras of Israel's history. You cannot simply appeal to the traditions of Israel to rule out that child sacrifice is happening here because the story could be from a much earlier period and the traditions from a later period.

To say "the text can't be possibly be implying that because of these traditions" is to assume the bible has no contradictions. The Bible was not written and recorded in the fairy tale way you believe it was.
Smile
Nice try, But...

We know the Pentatuch was written first. why is this important? Because in these first five books contained the law. The laws that establish the need for sacerfice/offerings and how they were to be carried out. Judges came after. Meaning Jep's efforts would fall under the law.
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#77
RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell
(September 25, 2012 at 9:51 pm)Drich Wrote: Smile
Nice try, But...

We know the Pentatuch was written first. why is this important? Because in these first five books contained the law. The laws that establish the need for sacerfice/offerings and how they were to be carried out. Judges came after. Meaning Jep's efforts would fall under the law.

Huh? It explicitly says that 'he did to her as he had vowed'. He had vowed to offer the first thing he saw as a burnt offering to god. It didn't say 'but the priest stopped him'. He did it, by the time they tell you that she was a virgin, she is already dead, regardless of the laws.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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#78
RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell
(September 25, 2012 at 9:51 pm)Drich Wrote:
(September 25, 2012 at 2:12 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: You're not looking at the Bible critically. You're assuming all these stories and law codes came together in the same sequence of the events as it reads plainly in the Bible as it exists today. Sorry, that's not how it happened. The OT draws from a variety of different sources from different eras of Israel's history. You cannot simply appeal to the traditions of Israel to rule out that child sacrifice is happening here because the story could be from a much earlier period and the traditions from a later period.

To say "the text can't be possibly be implying that because of these traditions" is to assume the bible has no contradictions. The Bible was not written and recorded in the fairy tale way you believe it was.
Smile
Nice try, But...

We know the Pentatuch was written first. why is this important? Because in these first five books contained the law. The laws that establish the need for sacerfice/offerings and how they were to be carried out. Judges came after. Meaning Jep's efforts would fall under the law.

The story itself may have roots earlier.
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
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#79
RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell
(September 21, 2012 at 1:06 am)Blackrook Wrote:


Can you show the chapter/verse that says anyone will go to hell? Or for that matter, heaven.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
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#80
RE: Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell
Drippy is a classic apologist shithead. Demands chapter and verse for something and then, when given exactly that, decides to move the goal posts.

Fuck you and god, Drippy. You two shits deserve each other.
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